Episode 128: Greased Lightning
Air Date: October 28, 2009
If a person tries to put out a stovetop grease fire by pouring a small amount of water on it, a fireball exceeding 30 feet (9.1m) in diameter will result.
busted
Adam and Jamie started stove fires with three different cooking materials: canola oil, peanut oil, and lard. The ratio of oil to water was 8 to 1 in each case, with 64 US fluid ounces (1,900 mL) of oil and 8 US fluid ounces (240 mL) of water. In each case, a large fireball formed when the water was poured in, due to the sudden formation of steam which propelled the burning oil upward. No fireball reached higher than 25 feet (7.6 m). To investigate further, Adam and Jamie did some smaller-scale tests, varying the oil/water ratio and the shape of the cooking pot. The latter had no apparent effect on the fireball height, but they decided to use a 2:1 ratio (2 US qt/1,900 mL of oil, 1 US qt/950 mL of water) for further full-scale work in a mockup kitchen set. Under these conditions, they were able to get a 30-foot (9.1 m) fireball; however, they declared the myth busted because the original 8:1 ratio did not generate the stated result. In a further test, they set up a shelf to drop an unopened can of soup into the oil, reasoning that having all the water-based material at the bottom of the pot would more effectively launch the oil when it vaporized and exploded. The result was a fireball with an estimated height of 100 feet (30 m).
It is possible to extinguish a grease fire with enough water.
confirmed
Adam called in a firefighting helicopter, which dropped 500 US gallons (1,900 L) of water on the grease fire and successfully extinguished it.
A person can detonate a block of C-4 (and escape) by placing it in a microwave oven and heating it for one minute.
busted
The Build Team set up three microwave ovens, each of which contained a different C-4 device: one unaltered block, one with wiring similar to that used in the film, and one with both wiring and a blasting cap. Using a remote-controlled bomb disposal robot, the team set each oven to run for 60 seconds at full power. The unaltered block did not heat up appreciably, while the one with only the wiring caught fire but did not detonate (though the door of that oven did burst open). The wiring/cap device exploded violently after only a few seconds of heating, due to sparks arcing across the metal wires and touching off the blasting cap. Since a person placing this bomb in a microwave would be unable to get to safety before it exploded, the team declared the myth busted.
(This myth is based on a scene from the film Grosse Pointe Blank.)
A block of cheese can be fired from a cannon with enough force to shred a ship’s sail.
confirmed
The Build Team evaluated three different cheeses for hardness, stiffness, and elasticity: Edam, smoked Gouda, and Garrotxa. They set up a canvas sail made with period-accurate materials and methods, and fired one sample of each cheese at it. Edam, the softest of the three, bounced off the sail without damaging it; Gouda, the hardest, was too brittle and broke up into fragments as soon as it left the barrel; but the Garrotxa, having the right mix of hardness and elasticity, remained intact and punched a hole in the canvas. Even though the exact type of cheese did not match the accounts, the team declared the myth confirmed.
(This myth is based on accounts of a 19th-century South American naval battle in which a Uruguayan commander was forced to use slabs of Dutch Edam instead of cannonballs when the ammunition ran out.)
i’m positive that anyone who knows the original myth (enough to burn the facial hair off your face will result) was satisfied with the experiment, but not with the conclusion.
So the exact type of cheese not matching is acceptable, but a large fireball not being precisely 30 feet is unacceptable?
this is not a true test, you did not allow for the wind , the fireball was blown sideways wich would impede its upward travel,, if it was done in a windlass situation it would make it to the 30 foot mark…….
This was a factor at first but then they redid the experiment in a fireproof room where no wind could come in and it still didn’t reach 30 ft
They measured it on the high-speed camera. Rulers and the Pythagorean theorem work on windy days, too.
I agree with Robert. I was looking for a place to post the same response. It clearly shows how the wind is a factor.
Yes, the wind inhibited the rise of the fireball in the air…looking at the footage and estimating for the wind you had two of the three (lard excluded) that WOULD have made 30ft.
As far as lighting C4 in microwave that should be CONFIRMED. They didn’t know how to use a microwave. Set the first stage to 0 power (how many minutes before explosion) the second stage full power. Every microwave that has a electronic timer can do this.
If you want to verify this type
Time 10 power 0 then Time 30 Start
It will give you 10 seconds of 0 power then 30 seconds of Full power to set off the C4.
In the real word you would set it for 5 – 10 minutes for 0 power to get away not 10 seconds.
On Oil fires Disaster . I think use different temperatures of water. Example:100℃ water ,16℃-20℃ water and ice
The fireball reaching exactly 30 feet is very much beside the point. How many kitchens have 30 foot ceilings on them?
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I still think that a 30 ft fire ball is still plausible. They used peanut oil which has a flash point of about 450°F, But what about Almond Oil which has a flash point of about 495°F or Avocado oil with a flash point of 520°F? Even Extra Light Olive oils can have a slightly higher flash point than Peanut oil and it is commonly used in cooking.
If you all think you can do better why don’t you try and then film the results and post them on youtube? What is the saying “either put up or shut up”?
Because, simply put at the beginning, middle, and end of every episode, “DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME” is probably impeding these loyal fans from doing there own experiments…
This is the first time I’ve commented on one of the myths. The wind clearly moved the fireball away from the 30 feet mark. They really screwed up on this one!
I have to chime in as well regarding this myth. The experiment was clearly done on a windy day, and as a result the fireballs were blown sideways. If you measure the height of the fireballs along the diagonal, you will get 30 ft (or very close) for the first two tests.
Re C4 in microwave (Grosse Point Blank), to me it does appear that the C4 is NOT set off by the microwave itself but is set off by the microwave stopping.
My rationale is that there is a glass bulb containing mercury attached to the C4, the centrifugal force of the rotating plate keeps the mercury away from the wires, (clearly visible when Martin Blank looks into the microwave during the gun battle) when the microwave stops rotating the dish the mercury moves towards the centre, touching the wires therefore completing the circuit and BOOOOOOM!
This episode really cheesed me (pun may be intended). They were close to 30 feet and I am sure this “myth” was more of a ballpark height. A couple feet short is still fine in my books. Grease fire + water = bad…always!
I just saw this episode here in finland. I saw how windy day it was from one camera mans shirt or something… it would be that 9 meters if you would have done the test inside…! Nobody uses stoves outside!!
I request a re-do!!!! You must block the wind! My husband and I have worked in kitchens for to long to see the 30 ft. myth busted. Re-do
Everyone is saying the wind moved the fireball to a side but the results were still reliable because wind is everywhere. If that were to happen in real life to a house there would also be wind so that’s not a great huge factor. The measurements were just not right. So stop complaining how the wind was a huge factor that screwed everything up.
What is lard anyway?
@nick: Basically it’s pig fat, heated to melting then cooled.
@ everyone complaining about wind… You’re kidding, right? It’s the same thing as with dropped vs fired bullets, – exotic aerodynamics and equipment inaccuracies aside, pushing something sideways does not affect it’s vertical movement.
I do think being rigid about the 30 feet is a little unnecessary. My thoughts: when people see a massive fireball shooting out of their pan, they aren’t exactly trying to measure the height of the thing – on the contrary, they’re probably tearing the heck out of there. So someone could estimate 30 feet, but maybe it’s not quite that high.
Then again, the myths are generally about the claims as made. So they were testing the claim itself – not whether it got close. I would conclude that the plume from water on a grease fire of the right type of grease would get high enough that people would THINK it was 30 feet, but not high enough that it actually is.
On a side note, the “can cheese be shot out of a cannon” myth was the first one that make me laugh out loud just from being mentioned in the intro. Still one of my favorite myths due to sheer absurdity.
Did you like shoting the Cheese in the Cheese Canon.
we are from iraq and this is the first time we have seen tv.
does anyone still use lard any more?
@ac220 youre wrong on that. obviously wind pushing fire sideways will lower the total height it will reach. to go straight up to 30 feet all you need is to reach 30 feet. how much more do you need to go up if youre blown sideways? 30 feet is only 30 feet in a straight continuous line. example. you have to string thread from 1 spot to another spot 30 feet away but its not a straight shot across. about halfway across you have to make a 30 degree angle turn for 5 feet then again back to a straight line. do you honestly think youll only need 30 feet of string to make it across?
re:ac220
I think you are wrong
if I drop a 30ft rope in carm day it drops 30ft it I do it when it is blowing a gale it dose not reach 30ft
we could argue this a lot but I think it would be better and more fun if they retested it
I agree with michael and gillotte going sideways would lower the total height
Notice how the fireball drifted to the right as soon as it rose above the 8′ high windblock on the left? I’m sure that had they done it on a calm day, it would definately blown past the 30′ mark.
The Part with the grease fire
they should retest this… i think it is possible to get a 30 feet high fireball with peanut oil and 8 US fluid ounces of water, if there is no wind…
you can see, that the wind influenced the fireball
I have a an issue with the grease fire and a couple of observations.
First the complaint; how in the world can you expect to accurately measure a vertical rise of exploding gasses with a cross wind? Come on Adam, I have come to expect so much more from you. Gee Jamie, you usually catch Adam when he does these things.
Trying various oils looks like molecular cohesion was a contributing factor. The thicker the oil source the lower the fireball seemed. But that could have been tainted by the a fore mentioned crosswind.
The fireball is created when burning oil is expanded by the water turning to steam at a very rapid rate thus introducing a greater supply of oxygen as well as a “path of least resistance” in a vertical orientation and carried up by the intense heat rising. As all pure water changes to steam at 100*C (*=degrees on my keyboard) and you have no pressure vessel to increase the temp. of steam, changing the temp. of the oil or the water would seemingly have very little effect. What would do the best would be to have an oil that has a lower burn rate but a very low viscosity and weight. Thus going higher and burning long enough to make it to 30 feet.
But then again, I am no scientist.
So, like my teachers used to say, “Do it over and do it right this time.”
Hmm, just had a look at the cheese cannon on youtube… Somehow I don’t think they would have taken the time to cut it down and remove the wax before firing it… I think the paraffin wax would have made a huge difference
My house almost just burned down because of a small household fryer fire, mom’s bf threw water on it which made the flames jump to the ceiling, then grabbed the mop i had soaking in bleach water which almost completely engulfed the whole kitchen. I was there almost immediately with flour and succeeded in extinguishing the fire but not before minor damage occurred in the kitchen
So, no one noticed how windy it was when this myth was done? This I a myth burning down a house, no wind what so ever. Do this myth inside.
was ice cold water used
although the C4 did not explode with the battery, if an older zinc/cloride heavy duty wet battery was used the heat may have been enough to cause the battery to explode and provide the force for C4 explosion
To Geoffrey,
Please do not use flour again–it is a fuel. Grain elevators explode after catching fire because of all the grain/flour dust in the air.
Baking soda puts grease fires out safely if you do not have a fire extinguisher.
Concerned for your safety,
Emily
Pouring oil into a burning pan of oil. If you had used a chip pot ( say 9 inches high sides) rather than a flat skillet I’m sure the flame would have gone 30ft. The higher side would direct most of the blast upwards