Episode 53: Exploding Pants

Air Date: May 10, 2006

Under the right conditions, farm chemicals can cause a pair of trousers to spontaneously combust if they are spilt on it and subjected to normal wear and abuse.

confirmed

The Build Team tried to ignite cotton denim pant swatches soaked in fertilizer, gun cotton solution, black powder, and the herbicide sodium chlorate using an open flame, radiant heat source, friction, and impact, but only the herbicide could ignite with sufficient energy under the above conditions (except for friction), and it was particularly reactive to impact. In a full-scale experiment using Buster, paramedics on-hand stated that Buster would most likely survive from the blast with only some burns.

(This myth comes from New Zealand in the early 1930s, where an epidemic of the myth had rampaged, injuring and even killing farmers. The culprit was a then-unknown chemical substance that farmers began using in large quantities at the time.)

You can "stick it to The Man" and get cheap uber-fuel efficiency with carburetor magnets.

busted

No change to fuel efficiency.

You can "stick it to The Man" and get cheap uber-fuel efficiency with acetone mixed with the gasoline.

busted

The acetone was less fuel efficient.

You can "stick it to The Man" and get cheap uber-fuel efficiency with "miracle carburetor."

busted

Far less fuel efficient.

You can "stick it to The Man" and get cheap uber-fuel efficiency with a hydrogen fuel cell.

busted

The cell didn’t work with the car, and while the car did start unmodified when pure hydrogen was introduced, the hydrogen was also violently ignited soon afterwards, making it an unlikely – and expensive – alternative.

You can "stick it to The Man" and get cheap uber-fuel efficiency with used cooking oil, rather than regular fuel.

partly confirmed

Although there’s no word on damage to the engine from using used cooking oil, a diesel-fueled car did run on it. However, the MythBusters speculate that once this alternative fuel achieves a significant interest level among the public, used cooking oil will be hoarded as a salable commodity. The used cooking oil also did not quite fit the requirement of improved fuel efficiency, as it yielded approximately 10% less distance for an equivalent amount of diesel.

131 Comments

  1. john says:

    Have you done a study on cars running on water (hydrogen).

  2. Mikeck says:

    I really wanted hydrog powered cars ;D

    we have to change b4 the environment does D:

  3. jamoecw says:

    actually the science of this stuff has been done many times before. it is plausible to get the right diesel engine to run on water, vegetable oil, and synthetic diesel produced from trash.

    • Samanyolu says:

      fantastic!!! show people that you can make a hoygdren powered GUN??? now when people start making home made weapons using hoygdren extracted from WATER using the ancient HHO GENERATORS you can erect at HOME??, what do you reckon the gov is gonna reckon about that then?? they wont be soo forgiving. = killing the freedom for hho generators ..look, you cannot show people stuff like that, someones poor small kid will doubtless blow himself up messing with hydrolysis.keep the vids safe please.thanks.

  4. BobD says:

    Cars can run on water through process called electrolysis. You can break water up into its components, hydrogen and oxygen. You can then run your car on the hydrogen produced.

    • Daniel says:

      It would be a lot more efficient and less damaging to your engine if you use the electricity directly. Instead of using it to split the water molecule, use it to power an electric motor.

      • Areeya says:

        i could be incorrect but im ptetry sure it wont rust because rust is the oxidisation of fill up to steel ,and this i s just hydrogen ( oxegen has been indifferent) so i dont reckon it would rust. cheers!

    • No Free Energy says:

      Sorry, but you spend electricity to split the hydrogen from the oxygen, then you “burn” the hydrogen by letting it recombine with the oxygen to form water again and get back some of the electricity. This is how hydrogen or fuel cell cars work. Look at hydrogen as a kind of battery, not as a fuel, when it comes to cars. And in the end, you spend more energy to make the hydrogen than you get back when you burn it into water again.

      Hydrogen is more cheaply found in hydrocarbons like fossil fuels, because you spend less energy to strip the hydrogen from them. But that puts us right back into the fossil fuel cage.

      And of course hydrogen must be stored pressurized, which takes energy to do, and you don’t get any of that energy back when you depressurize (depressurizing cools the container and fuel, but how could we use that effectively in a car?).

      You can just light hydrogen on fire as if it were a fossil fuel, too, but it’s not very efficient. You’re better off using it for electricity.

  5. gayle says:

    while the big conglomerates have control over our economy (lobbyists)..the agriculture industry is puttin pressure on our elected officials (what a joke)..for renewalable fuels. Meanwhile..maintain tire pressure..filters..oil..etc..and most of all…VOTE..and get involved..IT WORKS!!

  6. Monica W says:

    I want MORE info about the operation of a deisel engine on cooking oil. I think everyone is in disbelief that it is possible, or won’t hurt the engine in the long run. Where might I find more info?

    • Katy says:

      My dad tinkered with his suburban and had it past 500,000 miles and then sold the engine to someone else…but it ran forever and smelled like frenchfries everywhere he went…but had to almost never buy gas. His thought was in order to do it again for someone else…it would cost as much to pay for the expensive gas as it was to convert it.

  7. Sentar says:

    Overhere in Europe it’s quite common to run your diesel powered car on vegetable oil. It will run unmodified with a 50/50 mix, or with modification on 100% vegetable oil/cooking oil. The modification required a preheating unit to be installed to make the cooking oil more liquid on cold days. I run a Peugeot 205 diesel on a 50/50 mix of diesel and sunflower oil from the local supermarket (which is cheaper per litre than diesel fuel).

  8. Bystander says:

    I’m ready to believe that acetone could work and needs to be revisited. I certainly could do with some more research, but from what i can tell, 90% of the internet community is convinced that the correct amount of acetone increases effeciency. Correct ratios are the most important thing in chemistry.

    This leads me to two conclusions, either they are all trying to scam us (from which they have nothing to gain, acetone is cheap and avalible everywhere), or it is illegal and this is the reasons that we haven’t heard anything about it in the newspaper or on television (i wonder if they’d do a serious sixty minutes on mileage myths).

    P.S. and using water for fuel is not entirely an uneducated concept. With an external fuel source, whater vaporizes and increases in entropy, as we all know from steam engines. There was a Time article about a man who built a diesel engine to incorporate some water in the compustion, which he claims increases the efficiency of his motor by basically diluting the fuel. More liquid is consumed, but less of it is diesel.

    • Innocent says:

      Water injection prevents knocking in engines with high compression ratios. Cars that require premium gasoline take advantage of higher compression to make more power in a similar way.

      • Reinaldo says:

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  9. Marsh says:

    In regards to the exploding pants.
    Back in the 30′we carried wooden matches in our pockets. more then once most of us found our pockets on fire due to the friction of them striking each other. Try it.

  10. Aaron says:

    I think the mythbusters should retry the water fuel but using browns gas HHO and a high yield of the gas. I think that something that produces the gas in large amounts would give you much higher fuel savings but also the car needs to run much leaner as well. And with fuel injection systems the oxygen sensor tells the engine it’s burning to clean when HHO is added and dumps more fuel into it. Really I think you need to try this again, or are you being payed off by “the man” to make it not work? Think about it.

    • Daniel says:

      Conventional engines are not designed to burn hydrogen gas in this way. You would have to buy one specifically designed to combust hydrogen, or if there is none, pay someone to make it.

      Assuming your method of producing the gas is electrolysis, I think it would be a lot more efficient if you used that electricity in batteries to power an electric motor.

    • Rastus says:

      Aaron, are you wearing your tinfoil hat?

  11. Allen says:

    Thank you Aaron for saying that “the man” could be involved here. I think that could very well be the reason. Also why hasn’t anyone mentioned combining the HHO if nessary with BUTANOL insted of gasoline? Please look it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biobutanol Ethanol is a joke compared to this stuff.
    As well as angle labs MYT engine that our tax money through N.A.S.A. helped to get to the stage it was at in 2006 the newest info I can find about it is that old.(please read the forum page to help with your decision.) Please help in finding out more about this engine. Think about all the above things combined some how and the big oil companies working with the auto industry are done for. If this dosn’t convince you that “the man” is involved then something is wrong with you. Most of us suspected it but I believe this is proof, everyone who ever gets caught doing wrong usually gets too greedy and makes a mistake.

    • Rastus says:

      Be careful…if “the man” sees your post here you might be visited by aliens who will abduct you and remove your brain.

      • ThePlainTruth says:

        I think his brain has already been removed, bud.

  12. Ben says:

    I’m of the opinion that all of the tested gas savers work (bar the magnets, I know nothing about them), but you have to look at how they work to apply them properly.

    Acetone: A ratio of 1:3000 to 1:5000 is recomended. Thats 2-3ml per litre of petrol.

    Hydrogen: Having not seen the episode, I can’t be sure of what they did, but hydrogen cannot be used (efficiently) as the main fuel for an engine. The energy gained from burning can’t be compared to the energy consumed in creating it. What it is good at is being a supplemental fuel. It does this because it burns far faster than gasoline. It enables all the fuel to burn faster, reducing the need for spark lead (ignition advance). As a bonus, because it all burns faster, anything that can burn is usually burnt before leaving the engine, so more energy is released from the fuel, and you end up with less unburnt fuel coming out the tailpipe (that’s what the HC is on your emmissions sheet, lower is better).

    As for supercarbs? There are two types; cracking and vaporising.

    Cracking carbs reform the fuel into something lighter and more gaseous (ie one kg of petrol becomes 1kg of methane), and they typically have large gains. They almost exclusively use high heat and large metal surfaces to achieve this. They have problems with deposits forming after a short while, significantly reducing the ability to reform the fuel. Whether these deposits are from “The Man” or simple chemistry is much debated.

    The vaporising carbs do just that, use heat, mechanical, or torturous/obscured inlet paths to vaporise the fuel completely. Characterised by low heat levels (if heated at all), they have lower, more consitant gains than the cracking carbies (but still in the 20-30% range oer EFI, and far more than that over conventional carburettors).

    cya
    Ben

  13. Ward says:

    I have a 1985 Isuzu Trooper Diesel that I have only run about 10 gallons of actual diesel fuel through the motor , just to tune the motor after I got it running . Lately I’ve been using new veggie oil to run the motor as it only cost m,e about 1.33 per gallon (7.99 a case of 6 gallon ) .I have run this set up for over 2 years now. the book says fuel effiency is about 26 mpg. for this vehicle, I get 32mpg but the turbo unit is not stock . the reason the car was parked and sold to me because of the bad turbo charger . so I have no idea whether or not the apparent increase in mileage is due to the turbo upgrade or the use of veggie oil or maybe bad stats in the book?

  14. Crixxtachi says:

    I don’t understand how claims can be made that the electrolysis process is inefficient and that the use of water as a fuel source is not a good one? There are multiple organizations around the globe dedicated to the pursuit of this goal and many many many successes.

    • Rastus says:

      That’s because you don’t understand science and chemistry. There are many scam organizations promoting this and the successes they have had are profiting from gullible people buying their nonsense.

  15. Brian says:

    I think the water4gas site could be onto something. I served in the Navy for 16 years and was on four submarines. My job, one of many, was to run the onboard electrolytic oxygen generator (Treadwell corporation model number: 6L16) which used 16 cells hooked up in the same matter as described on their website. Our difference was we used potassium hydroxide as the catalyst and ran up to 1050 amps (thats not a typo)to take distilled water, split it up into 250 standard cubic feet of hydrogen per hour and 125 standard cubic feet of oxygen per hour. We would discharge the hydrogen overboard back into the sea and store the O2 in storage banks for later use. Their rig in my opinion could actually do what they say it does.

    • mark says:

      125cubic feet per hour with 1050amps to do it. do you know that a gas engine uses this much volume of air in one minute. even in the gas ratio of 10/1, thats still way off the mark, even if you need 1/100 the volume of Hydrogen vs gas. Think about it. Water4Gas shows the 12 volt supply bubbling up hydrogen. do you thnk that amount of hydrogen will do ANYTHING????? think!!!!
      its a scam!

      • joe says:

        we are not talking about Purly running a car on hydrogen, it’s about supplementing gasoline with hydrogen and you can produce enough hydrogen from a 12 volt battery to supplement gasoline, you only need 1 – 3 liters per minute, I have a hydrogen fuel cell installed in my Isuzu Rodeo I produce 2.5 liters per minute at 18 Amps, and it’s taking me from 17 mpg To 28 mpg

        • Rastus says:

          Why, that’s nothing! I installed an HHO generator in my 1972 Datsun 510 and the mileage went from 25 to infinity! I wasn’t using gas anymore so I drained the fuel tank and sold the gas! Now I just run on water. No more tune-ups, no more oil changes. If you want the details send me $50 and I’ll tell you!

  16. John says:

    I find the discussions of energy from water interesting. What really bugs me is I remember from Expo ’86 in Vancouver BC, in the German Pavilion, right at the entrance, was a Mercedes Benz that ran on water. It was a working car. I have no idea how efficient it was but it was there. Whatever happened to it??

    • Deonet says:

      I have no doubt the HHO stuff works. Norway has a hydrogen freeway with pumps and has been using hydrogen tech for energy for over 75 years. Saw a HUGE documentary on it on either the Science or Discovery channel. There was a tv news article in 1998 or early 1999 about a guy in the Phillipines (spelling?) with a 6th grade education who converted his Toyota to run on water and/or got more than 100mpg. He got about 10 seconds of coverage because reporting on Hollywood is clearly more important to our newscast. There is also a guy in Ohio who is marketing and producing engines that get close to the Toyota with gas. He would not sell his patent or rights to the auto industry for them to put under a rug, so he is trying to make a go on his own. There are articles in Popular Mechanic magazine proving some of the HHO tech works and that there are mechs out there who can mod engines to get HUGE mpg increases.

      • Rastus says:

        Of course water4gas works! It was derived from alien technology at Area 51 but the problem is Big Oil doesn’t want it so it has been suppressed! They’ve hidden the 200 MPG carburetor, and now they won’t let you use water4gas! You can’t get it at all! Nowhere!

      • Oracle of Truth says:

        “There was a tv news article in 1998 or early 1999 about a guy in the Phillipines (spelling?) with a 6th grade education who converted his Toyota to run on water and/or got more than 100mpg.”

        And if you’ve got a 6th grade education you just might believe it.

  17. John2 says:

    BTW, running a vehicle on anything other than what the oil companies say you can… Who runs the world? People who own the oil are billionaires many times over, if it was as easy as topping up from the tap (faucet) who do you think would lose their substantial income?
    It has been suggested that at current usage, oil will dry up in 50 years, I’d stake my next paycheck on the oil companies having quite a few alternatives ready to roll out when that day comes – and I’ll bet the alternatives will cost us – and if we can use water, I’ll bet it has to have a secret ingredient added at the forecourt – an ingredient which the oil companies can charge us dearly for.

  18. Chucky says:

    I really don’t want to believe in this cars running on water thing. But according to my research this technology was patented by different people starting from 1970s. There are also news items from CNN, FOX, NBC etc about this and they say “it has passed all safety tests so far”. I almost want to try this out, one of these days I might, I don’t know. And the way I understood, it’s not hydrogen, that they produce, they produce something called HHO/oxyhydrogen and that’s what’s used to compliment gasoline. Don’t ask me why HHO is different from H2O. This site goes on to show the science behind the technology which is the power of oxyhydrogen.

  19. H2OGo says:

    Regarding the Hydrogen Test. I saw what looked like an electrolyzer in this episode, but heard no mention of an electrolite ie…baking soda. Also, saw no aparent action in the ‘hydrogen’ device.
    I am still wondering if the water4gas device is simply a water vapor injector..via manifold vacuum with added (yet unmeasured) help from the H and O gaseous mixture. Engine seems to run more smoothly even without the electric turned on, making me wonder which portion of the increased performance really comes from the electrolisis…
    I think everyone has probably experienced increased engine performance, in the morning, when the air is cold out, and contains higher levels of water…

    Just Sayin’

  20. Josh says:

    I have just started my search in to HHO’s Truth or BS. I will say this, we were able to take some copper wire, tap water and salt. Distilled water and baking soda are the recommended electrolite which we didn’t have on hand. Wrapped the copper around a piece of cpvc, placed in the water, and connected to a 12v car battery. Instantly bubbles where prduced from the copper wires. One side releases oxygen, the other hydrogen. Being that this is the first test to “see” if its worth spending the time, we took a plastic sandwich bag to collect some of the gas. Because of the setup, it wasn’t very efficient, but we where a;be to harness about 1 sq inch of air roughly. We then placed a flame to the bag and it “Popped” with a nice little bang of flame. So this proved to me that there was enough H released to actually see. Now we are going to build a generator and fine tune the conductive surface and the electrolite solution to get maximum HHO release vs AMP draw.

  21. Chucky says:

    Great stuff Dave Austin, looking forward to trying it myself.

  22. theknightryder says:

    I find this topic very interesting because of the changing times, who controls a majority of the world oil AND the fact that I drive approx. 130 miles ONE WAY to work daily. I have a 2002 F150 and would enjoy this “water4gas” technology. Very interesting.

    • ThePlainTruth says:

      knightryder, why don’t you just go out and spend a few thousand bucks for a used gas saver car instead of driving that F250? You’ll get a lot more out of that than wasting time and $$$ on any water4gas scam.

      • Oracle of Truth says:

        Yuuuuppp!!!

  23. missed-code says:

    One more thing, can some one answer why gas is so high?

    I asked a few people this, and they said there was a shortage on the market, WRONG. Not true. There is no shortage. The beautiful people in the stock market trading futures made the oil prices this high.

    How come over seas most small vehicles are diesel powered? But in America they arent? I have a Mercedes 4 wheel drive SUV that has a tow capability of 7000 pounds, gets to 60 in 6.5 seconds, seats 5 adults, and I get 26 MPG in CITY!! Its a very small 2.0 diesel engine that beats my F150 V8 stop light to stop light, and when my Ford tops out at 98 MPH, my Mercedes will fly past it like it was sitting still.
    Now Toyota and Chevy just released this year, SUV Hybrids for thou$sands more than the regular models that get the same gas mileage as my Diesel. ??

    Volkswagon sold diesel cars here in the 80′s and 90′s that got a LOT better gas mileage than the current models do, had more power, lasted longer! (They still do in other countries) Why not here in the US??

    Saudi Arabia said they could not increase oil production, as they were already producing the same amount that the buyers are buying. There is no shortage. If there was a shortage, they would increase production, but at this time, there is no shortage or even a hint of a shortage.

    People in America and UK have caused this oil price! When you own it, you scare people into thinking there is a shortage, and the price goes up and you make more money!

    If you want to see oil prices fall, then people have to quit selling futures! As long as we are willing to buy it at that price, the price will keep going up, making them more money!

    I would love to see Myth Busters work on the browns gas (That I have seen work!) in a car and publich it on national TV. I dont think they will, as mentioned before, sponsers wont sponser a show that costs them money and if they were able to prove it worked (Which many thousands of people already know it does and use it) then that would lower use, which would lower profits for the big people. And we all know we cant have that.

    maybe they can do a special on what was different in the late 80′s and early 90′s when Many import cars were getting better gas mileage than the “new improved” models are today? How about an example, remember the Honda CRX? Any one remember the gas mileage when it was new? Almost as good as the current hybrid!!!! And it would smoke the tires! Why dont people question things like this? This is just one example, there are many, many more like it.

    Then for Myth Busters to do the best Myth of all time, that the Govt and Big corporations cause our issues like this to make them selves more money at our expense. Can we get that myth busted : )

    Yea, I know no future in that, but love your show anyway!

  24. TAO says:

    The main reason that it’s harder to make cars in America with good fuel economy like the VWs of the past is safety standards. We continue to design vehicles that can sustain a greater and greater crash impact and ignore the real problem: the drivers themselves. So what you get is vehicles that are safer in a crash, yet are hundreds and hundreds of pounds heavier because of all the extra weight of side impact beams and huge bumpers to make it safer if you hit a pedestrian (notice how new cars have GIGANTIC bumpers?) The cars they drive in Europe wouldn’t meet the American crash test standards: they’re too light and can’t handle the impact of a 7000-pound SUV well enough. I once had a Geo Metro with a 1.0L 3-cylinder engine that got pretty darn good gas mileage (around 45 MPG) and it was a 3-speed automatic if memory serves me correctly. Auto technology and a good old 5-speed manual transmission enables me to get nearly the same MPG out of a 1.9L SOHC Saturn S-series engine in a significantly bigger car, but the reason that the inefficient Metro got such good mileage was this: the car was like a rolling soda can and the engine was a very low displacement for a car. There was not a lot in the way of “reinforcement” in that Metro. (It got dented once, and I took the fender off AND FIXED THE DENT BY BENDING IT AROUND THE TOP OF MY LEG WITH MY ARMS.)

  25. Myles says:

    It is one model for sub-atomic physics, as apposed to an extension of our pre-defined model (electrons/protons/neutrons). Bull baffles brains, O’ studious one. your mind has been propagated. Let’s try a little lateral thinking. One cannot break the first law of thermal dynamics. true. but there are loop holes. ie. fisson. ie. fusion. the way we go about the latter sucks (deuterium/tritium/lithium 6/lithium 7 {7 used in breeders cause it releases tritium as a by product}). free neutrons = free (available) energy. How does one make neutrons? expose a proton, and let it fly into an electron. nuclei stay put normally. they are positive and push each other away.
    Thus they normally stay put. the electrons surrounding maintain the integrity of the nucleolus. the neutrons within, coupled with the constant repulsion of other nuclei keep the electrons in place. so what happens when we send a stray proton wandering about? It hits an electron, and becomes a neutron. How do we get stray protons? we split water via high-voltage (low current, short electrode gap), pulsed
    “electrolysis”. This fractures water into H1, which doesn’t occur naturally on this planet, and O1, ditto. partially. the rest of the gas is H2 and O2. HHO/Brown’s/Klein’s gas is not a compound. It is a mixture of gases. H1, O1, H2, O2. when we heat H1 (by burning its neighbours), it expands. when it expands, its electron goes further from its nucleus.
    an H1 nucleous is just a proton. this leaves the proton exposed to the electron blanket that flows between all nuclei. bang. Micro-fusion. And that’s why Brown’s gas mixture can weld aluminium to brick. It produces energy from mass. it’s not free energy, it’s just from a different bank account. I’m not qualified to say this of course, but if there where a degree in common sense, it would be the only one I’d need. I don’t have any big words to back me up either, but I do have 2 quotations, both by Galileo Galilei.

    “All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.”
    “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”

    • NotNotNotNotNotMyRealDad says:

      “Thus they normally stay put. the electrons surrounding maintain the integrity of the nucleolus. the neutrons within, coupled with the constant repulsion of other nuclei keep the electrons in place. so what happens when we send a stray proton wandering about? It hits an electron, and becomes a neutron. How do we get stray protons?”

      Waaa? Now if only more than the statement “I’m not qualified to say this of course,” were true; i saw this, and it’s just so bad I had to say “Waaa?” Please do not be so gullible people; anything purporting to deliver something for nothing is a lie (though it may appear to be well supported with facts).

  26. Myles says:

    The water4gas thing works on another basis..
    Water4gas being the system in which you still use fossil fuel, and you boost your power by using surplus energy gathered by the alternator to do ordinary electrolysis, and feeding the H2/O2 mixture into the the fuel/air line. Your car will still use its normal petrol ignition. It will be exactly the same in the cold as it is now. You’ll just get more power on the road with less pressure on the accelerator. Hybrid cars recycle alternator energy into their batteries. This is relatively the same logic.

    • Rastus says:

      Sorry, but ALL energy from the cars alternator comes from the engine that burns gasoline. ANY hydrogen produced from the water and burned will only generate an amount of energy equal to what was generated from gasoline minus losses in the engine, alternator, and electrolytic cell. This notion of the Hydrogen causing more efficient burning of the gasoline is only a hypothesis.

  27. Myles says:

    Except hybrids store the energy, and use it later,
    And the water4gas system boosts economy, giving you more HP for less fossil fuel.

  28. Myles says:

    Josh, that’s not Brown’s gas, you’re producing 2H2 and O2. Standard electrolysis. Yes, this is what water4gas does to increase mpg. “Brown’s gas” or 2H2 + O2 + 2H1 + O1 is way more special. Lowest current, highest voltage, pulse it in pulsed pulses and you fracture water, getting some H1. H1 is why Brown’s gas does what it does. Build the PWM, run the battery through it. get your cathode and anode as close as possible to each other to minimize current draw.

  29. Robbie says:

    “The cell didn’t work with the car, and while the car did start “unmodified” when pure hydrogen was introduced, “the hydrogen was also violently ignited soon afterwards, making it an unlikely – and expensive – alternative”

    Of course it will ignite violently!!!!! Gas will to, if you did it the way that you put pure hydrogen to it. HA, if it didn’t then it wouldn’t be any good, hydrogen would be useless. Use some common sense guys, come on.

    You wouldnt pour gas into the carburetor while the engine is running then pour it over onto the engine now would you? Hydrogen is a “gas” which you can’t see, duh. Don’t make it out to be some horrible gas that will blow everybody up. Wow guys! I think you need to reword this.

  30. Robbie says:

    Water4gas may not have exactly the best design out there; I do believe that this is feasible to do. ixlr8, People have not been all that interested in this until gas prices have hit $4.00 a gallon, so really why would someone pay to market this product when there has not been any demand? Creating a hydrogen generator is not for everyone, because it may be too cumbersome for them to pop the hood, and put distilled water and potassium hydroxide into a tank. People like ixlr8 and Dave, are just too damn lazy to find out for themselves if it works. I was very leery about spending the money to see if this gas can really be created. Especially since it was not at AutoZone or “Pep boys” but I tried a little experiment with it. They did not give any explanation of why it wouldn’t work, or even mention the fact that they have tried it.
    Take two razor blades, one will be the positive current and the other would be the negative. Put electrical tape or double sided tape between the two and make sure that they are not touching, but have a small distance between them. Put some water and baking soda in a cup. Try to get a small bubble to form (somewhat difficult) at the top of the water and light it up. I had a pop sound which was definitely an explosive gas. In other words, it was not just an air bubble popping. There is also tons of stuff on YouTube, which I don’t trust them all.
    If you can get that from two small razor blades then surely you can get more flammable gas to form with 16 Stainless steel plates, distilled water, and potassium hydroxide. Tap water has impurities in it which will turn the water brown; this is the reason for distilled water.
    I have yet to see someone that says it does not work, but has tried it. I even went to ebay and randomly ask people that have bought the item from another ebayer. There answer was, “I have a Dodge Ram 1500 4.7 liter, and went from 14 mpg to 22 mpg, but he used aluminum foil to fool the oxygen sensor.
    There are several other factors that you need to consider then just installing the generator. You will need an EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer) to fool your computer into letting the extra gas be used to burn the vapor. The oxygen sensor will think that it is burning to lean and throw more gas into the mixture. It is also better to install a PWM (Pulse Width Modulator) to keep from your generator from getting to hot and turning the water into steam. The PWM will also aid in the product on HHO.
    No, I have not made a working version of this system yet, but I am willing to get off my lazy ass and at least try it. I am waiting on some items that I need to create the generator. I have been researching it for the past 2 weeks, and have yet to hear that someone had tried it and made a serious attempt, and it didn’t work for them.
    Mythbusters, your experiment did not have an electrolyte…? Plus, I have not found that design on the net anywhere. I had tons more bubbles from two razor blades and a cup of tap water. In your experiment, you were trying to run the car completely off hydrogen with the generator. Why not run another episode with a different design, because you made that one look big and bulky, far bigger then it needed to be. This type of generator will not produce enough hydrogen to run a car completely off hydrogen, but if you make a hybrid (“gas” & “HHO Vapor”) then it should increases the mpg.
    This is not pure hydrogen but if it assists the gas engine in combustion, and increases the mpg. Then I am willing to give it a shot. I will keep you updated if I get to work.

    • Rastus says:

      “Water4gas may not have exactly the best design out there; I do believe that this is feasible to do. ixlr8, People have not been all that interested in this until gas prices have hit $4.00 a gallon, so really why would someone pay to market this product when there has not been any demand? ”

      Are you joking?> Or do you really not know? Because “gas saving” schemes and devices have been around for at least 60 years that I know of. They were promoting them when gas was 25 cents a gallon. And they were scams/frauds and BS, just like HHO and Brown’s gas is.

  31. Monkeeee says:

    I am going on a cruize with a friend who has installed this system in a 2004 VW Jetta GLI. We are filling up, and driving for 2 hours straight, stopping and resting, then driving another 2 hours back. After that 4 combined hours of driving, we will top off the tank, and subsequently match the odometer reading with the starting ODO. Reading. That will tell us exactly how many MPG he’s got. This car is rated by the EPA at 21 city, 30mpg Highway. The entirety of the test will be performed on the highway as to produce the most accurate results. Im expecting anywhere between 30-40mpg being a “safety zone” of comfort, meaning, If he’s babying the throttle, or driving really conservatively and trying to hypermile, maybe that could be a margin of error. Anything over 40mpg, and I PERSONALLY will be making a device like this.

  32. oM4n says:

    I know at least one person who is building drag race motorcycles using quite old Ducati V2 engines, and he was using (but IIRC was forbidden to do it because of the rules) a water injection system to boost performance.

    The injected water did a) cool the engine and b) convert the heat the inefficient engine produces into expanding steam, thereby recovering a part of the otherwise lost thermal energy.

    A short google search also showed other sites offering water-injection for drag-racing cars. I would therefore think the whole “HHO or Brown´s gas” stuff is just a way to get the water into the engines burning chambers, without complicated injection methods. As water4gas also offers what they call a “Vaporizer” or using the device in winter as that, I think that is what they are doing. There is no hydrogen magic going on here, but using that effect of evaporating water to convert the engines heat into pressure.

    I also remember that water/diesel mixtures were used to reduce NOX emissions and increase mileage in buses here in Germany, but I don´t know whether it was more than a test.

    In short: Has probably to do nothing with the production and burning of Hydrogen for power, but recovering part of thermal energy and converting it back into pressure used to drive the pistons. Is for some reason not used in unmodified cars which probably has some reason…

  33. Robbie says:

    This is what we are talking about: (Basic)

    Hydrogen can be generated from water by `splitting’ it from oxygen. The most well-known process is electrolysis, but other mechanisms exist as well, such as catalyst in the presence of heat (e.g. solar), or superimposing radio frequencies.

    The generator will separate the water into its gaseous state by electrolysis. H20 = HHO when separated, meaning 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen.

    This “Vapor” (HHO) is then feed into the air intake and then combusted with the gas mixture; thus increasing gas mileage.

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      Yes and since the energy to split the water is FREE the HHO fed into the intake is free energy!!! Woooohoooo!!!

      Now I have the best design for this cell. Send me $75 and I’ll share it with you!

  34. Robbie says:

    This is simply the same effect that you get from a hybrid electric vehicle. You are using the engine to produce enough electricity to charge the batteries. Except now you are using the electricity for the process in electrolysis. Hybrid HHO vehicle

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  35. ixlr8 says:

    Mythbusters – Please revisit this myth. In the exploding pants episode you tried to run the car on hydrogen alone but not as a supplement to gasoline. The reason the engine backfired was probably because you did not bring the timing to about 0 TDC, this is necessary due to the fact that hydrogen burns at an order of magnitude more rapidly than gasoline. I recommend not trying to run totally on hydrogen anyway. Instead, I suggest generating hydrogen using the engines wasted heat/exhaust to generate it then take this hydrogen and add to the engines intake along with the normal gasoline injection system. It should improve combustion of the gasoline increasing overall efficiency. My approach is novel in that I am not suggesting a perpetual motion device like these guys that insist on using the existing electrical system. Draining ANY energy from the existing electrical system to try and make more energy is just plain ignorant thinking. My concept simply recovers already wasted energy. There are multiple ways to accomplish this. I mentioned one possible way in an earlier post but lets see where this goes…

  36. ptba says:

    Well i am thinking it is safe to say that the hydrogen fuel cells do work. honda announced that they are putting a car with this technology into production, and i am also going to be trying it out myself.

  37. fisherman says:

    Gentlemen, I am glad that we are having these discussion; it shows that there are alot of thinkers out there. I have successfully built an hydrogen generator for my 92 Suzuki Sidekick three weeks ago. The first version I used 22 3×5 SS plates; 11 positive and 11 negative, the spacing was 1/16 between plates. I first used no baking soda,, it did produce some fizzing but not as much as when I added the mixture of 5 teaspoon of baking soda to 1 gallon mix. The plates were set inside a square 7×7 electrical waterproof enclosure made out of plastic. When hooking up the battery, the load was greater than 30 amps. I know this because I was using a stewart warner inline amp gauge and it pegged the meter, i also confirmed the amperage by adding a 30 amp fues which blew. Never the less it was tested on the bench and it bubbled violently.

    I then placed two studs on the lid to be used for + and – lugs and a hose barb to route the gas. This lid was fastened to the enclosure after the plates were wired to the bottom of the lid. A hose was connected to the hose barb and power was applied to the lugs,, the end of the hose was placed in a bucket to see the bubles come out. To prove that this gas was flammable/explosive, I filled a medical glove like a balloon and cinched the bottom with vise grip wrench. The glove was placed on the grass and with a long pole with lighter attached I ignited the glove. The glove exploded violently like a 30-06 rifle blast, no signs of flames were visible when exploding the three glove tests.

    This hydrogen generator was installed in the carburator inlet at first; in this scenario i went from 21 MPG to 23 MPG.
    The second test, I placed the hose to the intake manifold; I went to 26.5 MPG.

    Both these test I had the water mix at 1 teaspoon of soda to 1 gallon of regular tap water, driving to and from work which is 53 miles and an average speed of 56 MPH, filling each day and doing the math.

    It was evedent that the box would get extremely hot and under the vacuum scenario it would cave a bit in itself.

    A third test was conducted with the mixture to 5 teaspoon added to 1 Gl of water, during the ride to work the plastic around one of the lug melted due to the heat and the air started to come into the box; I had to pull to the side of the road and place the vacuum system back to normal for that ride. I do not suggest anyone using a square plastic enclosure for this type of project.

    I recently built a cylindrical casing made out of PVC, which has held up to the vacuum and temperature.

    I have spent much preplanning for this project; one of my concerns was the alternator disussion mentioned above. I can say for fact that the HHO generator does put a load on the alternator, BUT the load is rewarded by the extra MPG that i’m getting. I did not purchase any plans, I am not sponsoring any company selling an HHO kit. I am just someone like many of you that are hurting everytime we have to fill our tanks with fuel.

    When the gallon of gas was less, we didn’t care about any of these projects; I would use my boat every weekend, I would tow my RV with my Honda Ridgline, we would go on drives to to get out of the house. Now that the price of gas is so high, we consolidate our trips to maximize our driving, I stopped using the boat and do more bank fishing,, stop using the RV trailer and scaled down to a teardrop trailer.

    I really think that we need to start making a lifestyle change in order to make ends meet; I commend our European friends for not falling into bigger is better mentallity that we have in the US. The status of having a Hummer or a big SUV has put us in this situation,, let me stop typing since I don’t want to vere off from the topic at hand.

    I just wanted to let everyone know that HHO generators do work,, and ask everyone to keep an open mind. Please keep well and I hope everone has the opportunity to just do more than talk about it.

  38. Robbie says:

    Hey guys!!

    2001 Dodge Dakota 4.7 liter V8

    Guess what, it works! I got 19.7 mpg coming into work this morning, and i took back roads and came through town, and had to stop at 2 stop lights, and chase down my girlfriend because she forgot her cell phone this morning. I dont even have a o2 sensor enhancer, or anything done to the engine! I am thinking that i could get better if i get the o2 sensor enhancer (EFIE)

    It took some time to build but it is worth it so far!

  39. Tony says:

    If the HHO generator really worked? I would think a company like GM, with the stock price at a 53 year low, jump on converting every car and SUV to increase mileage and sales.

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      No we’ve already seen why GM, or any other car MFR, won’t do this:

      1. “The Man” won’t allow it.
      2. The Inyernational oil cartels, run by the Illuminati, will not allow it.
      3. “Grays”, aliens who have made contact with Earthlings, have forbidden it.
      And a few more factoids: Bill Clinton didn’t inhale, OJ was innocent, and WWF wrestling is REAL!!!

    • King says:

      Sufficient use of natural gas in ttrrspoatanion will be useful in providing the infrastructure for the use of hydrogen in ttrrspoatanion. There will of course be hundreds of gas explosions of various sizes killing at least hundreds of people. Some in rather horrible ways. We are already used to such explosions and deaths from natural gas use in home heating. But it is important for people to accept them in the ttrrspoatanion sector. That way when the hydrogen explosions occur, people will not be bothered by them as a result of being used to the maimings and deaths from the natural gas explosions.

  40. Robbie says:

    Tony,

    You are talking about a Company (GM) that did this to their EV1′s.

    Rally on Feb. 26. Former EV1 drivers continued to offer to purchase their cars for cash for years.
    This is a check for $1,700,000 representing the $24,000 residual value
    for each of the 77 remaining EV1 6-year old used cars.
    GM refused to sell, and continued crushing and destroying the last of the EV1. Which was an estimated cost of $600 per car to crush. Why would they spend money to crush them all? And not sell them to make up some of the money lost?

    Why does an oil company control the worldwide patent rights for the EV batteries?

  41. Robert says:

    What a scam! They tested most of these IN COMBINATION WITH GASOLINE. However, they tested hydrogen alone, and direct fed into the carb. (wrong and dangerous)

    I am running HHO (generated under my hood) IN ADDITION TO GASOLINE, and I’m seeing significant fuel savings!

    Are they so dumb, they don’t know how to do it right, or are they misleading people intentionally?

  42. PainterAk says:

    Didn’t they use water injection in the P-51 Mustangs in WW2, to increase HP/Speed?

    • Rastus says:

      The water injection was done ONLY to stop engine knocking, which enabled the engine to run at a higher compression than without water. The water itself did nothing to increase power.

      • Jones says:

        And it could only be done for a short time, in an emergency (War Emergency Power).

  43. Dana says:

    I am just starting on the Hydrogen cell, I am a 2003 3/4 ton pickup I get about 14 miles to the gallon. I am just working on my hydrogen cell I DONT KNOW IF IT WILL WORK BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH TRYING, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE KEEP PAYING THE HIGH GAS PRICES.

  44. Ted says:

    Mythbusters Team,

    Why don’t you build one water4gas system as per the specifications that is readily available in the net and make an episode of your findings. You go out of your way to construct ridiculous gadgets purchased from the internet following their instructions, then why not construct one gadget (i.e water4gas) that could really benefit a lot of people (if the claim is true)

  45. humble_reasoning_indivudual says:

    I have been watching MythBusters for awhile now and have been repeatedly impressed by your unbiased, frank attempts to get at the truth. The technical aptitude and common sense with which you approach experiments made me feel The MythBusters are kindred souls in the search for truth. All of your hard work has definitely been appreciated by me.

    Regarding this episode?

    I am very disappointed. The tests on Brown’s Gas or Oxyhydrogen were amatuerish at best. It seems like you needed filler to complete the show so you stuck in some half-hearted review of a product rather than actually exploring the technology.

    Shame on you guys, you know better. If you are going to debunk this idea, be thorough or it looks like you weren’t searching for the truth in the first place. Why bother watching the show if you aren’t even going to give it a real try, it just ends up being more noise and controversy.

    Why not build your own Oxyhydrogen generator based on one that actually produces a significant amount of gas and doesn’t require more watts than an engine can spare. The oxygen sensor and mass airflow sensor obviously have to be dealt with to see any appreciable gains or the engines computer is working against you dumping in more gas when there should be less. What about engine timing? Oxyhydrogen’s flame front is auite a bit faster than gasoline. What about electrolyte? And finally, if you weren’t even producing any Oxyhydrogen, what good is going through with the test in the first place? It almost puts you in the same category as the people selling kits that are useless and exploitve.

    We are all in this together, and our collective future on this planet is at stake, well, actually its our CHILDREN and THEIR CHILDREN’S existence on this planet which is at stake. That being said, there is a certain amount of responsibility that comes with the reputation that MythBusters has gained. I hope you will revisit this technology and once and for all end the controversy.

    And as far as running a diesel engine on cooking oil, I would like to remind you that Heinrich Deisel designed the diesel engine to run on Palm Kernel Oil. I would also like to point out you can buy vegetable oil for $1.33/gallon, so who cares about 10% less distance when petroleum based fuel is over $4/gallon. What about the fact the vegetable oil is renewable and non-polluting?

    [steps down from soapbox]

    Just my $.02

    • Jones says:

      Bring in Ozzie Freedom as a special guest to work with the team! Ozzie is the Guru himself! He knows as much about HHO as anyone alive!

  46. Robert Drawdy says:

    I was pleased to read the report from Fisherman concerning his experiments using HHO gas. I was wondering if you used an EFIE device during your experiment or did you just run the line into the intake manifold.
    I am making a water/4gas unit and would like to know if the EFIE is absolutely necessary to see a mileage gain.
    I intend to install the unit on a 2008 Hyundai Sonota, 3.3 Liter engine. I have been told that an EFIE unit is necessary for each sensor. Unfortunately, from what I have discovered so far, my vehicle has four sensors. The costs of an EFIE unit runs anywhere from $80.00 – $100.00. The cost of these units may prohibit my continuing my experiment. Any suggestions?

  47. enzo b says:

    having seen this mythbusters story,after previously put in around 100hrs research into the hydrogen cell,etc,i am compelled to write that this experiment was crap…(that is the cell was crap).all the answers are out there in youtube land,but here is my two-bobs worth.firstly the mythbusters cell is bogus.a real cell is made of 306 stainless steel,uses pure water,runs on 20amp power from the power source(alternator?),bubbles like all hell,and is connected to the air intake manifold.a stage 1 cell(there is 100 good ones out there,they work),is the one that mythbusters are trying,will give roughly 40% better fuel economy,but the ignition timing must be advanced to work properly,and don’t try it on a fuel injected car.in australia,two lawn mower mechanics got one to work on a old ford(made the local news).the big debate however,which makes the x-files sound like a kids show,is the stage 3 cell.this baby is claimed to run any kind of motor on no fossil fuel at all,using what i believe is cold fusion.this technology is supposed to of been around 100 years ago(starting with tesler).is was used during the second world war,and then buried.the cell makes the car run (kind of) in reverse…i.e.the power from the motor now comes from the starter motor turning the flywheel,and the ignition timing is 80″ advanced,and the best results are with 2 cells.the motor has no real red line(no valve bounce),in this state.your probably thinking crap,and yes i done physics at school too,but like the x-files,the truth is out there..try (on youtube ) joe cell (2 yrs ago)(and look for a sandy haired bloke called joe booker, joe pipe (recently),stanley meyer.etc..(there is also lots of scammers…beware.)in summary,the myth busters should have the balls,money and time to properly do a proper joe cell,but i doubt they will.it seems everybody that has allready tried and been sucessful has been threatened with death.al gore,together with the internet,could be our only hope….

  48. enzo b says:

    oh,and although i don’t understand all you are saying MYLES,(i hated physics).i love that you are trying to explain it properly..i read that this process occurs naturally in a lightning bolt(the -ve to +ve thing)why isn’t someone doing something to bring this technology to light…

  49. M Lidstrom says:

    Since a car engine is made to use gasoline you obviously can’t use hydrogen. You use hydrogen as an additive to get cleaner and more effective combustion. You can cut fuel cost with up to 80% and get much cleaner exhaust.

  50. M Lidstrom says:

    And a tiny amout (1 dl to 50 l) of acetone in a car cleans the engine. It dissolves carbon residues. It’s not a booster. I tried that in my car from ’86 and the consumption is now almost as it was when it was new. I guess two full tanks with the acetone additive a year is enough to keep the engine clean. But that is just a wild guess.

  51. Dufva says:

    I live in Sweden (we have horrific gasprices) and have been driving my old 88 Volvo on a 50%mix with ethanol for the past 3 years.

    The engine accepts up to 40-50% mix with ethanol without any protest

    I have not done anything to adjust the engine

    You can make mods to the car to run on 100% ethanol but the gain is bigger with the mix because on higher procent ethanol the car will need up to 30% extra fuel, and that disadvantage dosent accur with mixing..

    Ethanol has the same cleansing effect as aceton so my engine feels much better as the carbonlayers are washed out..

    One thing that happend though is that I had to replace the fuelfilter as it clogged up as the ethanol also dissolved some layers in the petroltank.

    But after that everything runs smooth and clean and much cheaper :-)

  52. Gord says:

    Just thought I’d throw 2 things into this mix:
    1. Mazda has made a prototype wankel rotary that runs on both petroleum and hydrogen – separately though, not in conjunction.
    2. Running a percentage (approx. 25%diesel) LPG (Propane) alongside diesel fuel in a diesel engine improves performance and mpg significantly and significantly reduces emissions. Many long distance haulage trucks in Australia use this technology, and some municipal buses in Perth, Western Australia have been using this technology for over 10 years. When driving long distances the savings rack up into the thousand of dollars in fuel bills.

    As far as I know the LPG does all this by speeding up the slow burn of the diesel. Perhaps adding a proportion of hydrogen will do something similar in a diesel engine?

    3. I tried one of those fuel magnets on my car, and I have to say it works. It takes months to actually begin to work however, as they help reduce the carbon deposits within the engine, therefore restoring your mpg figures. I run it on a peugeot 306 1.9 turbo diesel and it now starts less smokey and generaly runs a little better – smoother and more responsive. My mpg around town (London – all stop start driving) is a little better also. When i first put it on the car it noticeably ran worse for about a month while all the deposits where being cleared away. The instructions that came with the magnet said all this would happen.

  53. Zero Point says:

    I only have time for a quick guide to some info right now. Please visit au.youtube.com and search for Zero Fossil Fuel. Look for #Build my PWM tutorial!Part 1 of 5 to start with and go on from there.
    Also search for Sid Young.Fire in The Water.com. au.youtube.com search for Sid Cell how to 1,then Cid Cell how to 2 and 3 and the Big Brick.
    Zero shows you how to build a PWM and a EFIE.Here in Australia we have a similar electronic device called a MAP Sensor Enhanser which allows you to forget about the o2 sensors as it connects straight to the MAP sensor itself and allows you to manually control(lean) the fuel mixture but don’t lean it out more than 17 to 1.I’ve noticed some electronic stores sell DIY kits for MAP sensor enhansers and monitors to monitor mixtures so you don’t lean them out too far. Sid shows you how to build one of the best electrolyser cells around or you can buy the units from him and the PWM’s from Zero if you don’t to make them yourself.
    If not using a PWM six electrolyser cells are best running them in series. Only set them up to draw 2 amps each and 2 volts each on a 12 volt system.
    If using a PWM Zero will explain in his vid’s how to set up a single cell.
    These oxyhydrogen systems are for adding supplemental gas to your existing fuel,not for running on straight HHO.
    There are plenty of systems avaiable but using a decent cell with a PWM does not cause overheating as explained by Zero.
    The mythbusters did everything opposite of what you are supposed to do with a HHO cell, in fact I didn’t see it produce enough to even be ignited by an oxy torch! It was setup or rigged to fail on purpose!The cell alone does not run an engine as it cannot produce enough gas.It is only used for HHO supplementation for the regular fuels.
    They are wrong on many findings on many shows because they do not do many of their experiments properly.
    On the note of water vaporization.It does help as does water and water ethanol injection, but don’t buy just any W or W E injection kit.There are free plans to build your own cheaply or you can check out the best ones just do your homework.
    Running + and – plates next to each other in a cell will make it run too hot too quickly,you need neutral plates inbetween. Hope this helps.
    I myself am experimenting with water4gas stuff at the moment and am coming up with some advanced ideas on the setup.
    Will post more info when I have time.
    And yes you only need alternator power,usually only draws 20 to 30 watts max.
    I see some here already know somewhat about this,keep doing the research and get it right. A cheap free setup called Smacks Booster (just google) will give some basics but it does overheat when used for more than an hour or so. Sid’s Cell is one the best I’ve see so far,and with Zero’s PMW they’re getting up to 85% efficiency and a good amount of HHO gas production. Will post some other sites and stuff when I get time.
    Thanks for reading.

  54. Zero Point says:

    I need to make a slight correction. The draw on the alternator is 20 to 30 amps max, not watts. And it’s Sid Cell not Cid Cell. Sid’s biggest cell is producing 4 litres per minute of HHO last time I heard.

  55. michael says:

    ok u cant have a myth that is partly confirmed thats like a mechanic aying ur car is partly fixed any how the show is awsome

  56. jim says:

    Hydrogen boosting is a scam. Some of you guys need to take at least a little high school chemistry. There is no excess electricity. Brown’s gas isn’t magic, it’s just a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen. The average electolyzer doesn’t produce enough oxygen to affect a sensor, so the math, the amount of oxygen you’re adding is miniscule.

    This is a con, plain and simple.

    This is an excellent web site on hydrogen boosting fraud from New Zealand: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

    Water for gas is a particularly good example of this con.

    Consumer affairs has an article: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/07/water4gas.html

    These devices violate the laws of thermodynamics and the simple test of common sense.
    If they worked, then some major automobile company, Ford, GM, BMW, Volvo would be putting them on next year’s model. Imagine what this would do for Fedex, Cessna or Boeing. Heck some military somewhere would be using them in their tanks and trucks.

    And why aren’t the car companies using this “technology”? Either they’re stupid or it just doesn’t work. They’re certainly not stupid, in fact they are desperate; a 20% increase in mileage could rescue Ford from it’s creditors.

    Hydrogen Boosting is in the same league with “miracle” herbal cancer cures or the “lose 20 pounds in a week” weight loss medications that are on late night television. They make absurd claims, have no scientific backing and claim that everyone who is against them is part of some “vast conspiracy”.

    Wanna save gas? Slow down.

    More recently from the automotive guru at the Times UK.

    Letter to the paper: (2nd letter ½ down the page)

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/car_clinic/article4919408.ece

    This from the Times on line: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/car_clinic/article4919302.ece

    Get some more education and come back, i’ve got a PhD in chemistry, we’ll talk in about 5 years..

    And no, we’re not being paid off, we’re just tired of Americans ripping off other americans.

    • Rastus says:

      Excellent post. Notice how those who are promoting this have wild claims, anecdotal stories, legions of YouTube videos, but not one, not even one, rigorous, scientific test that shows this works. EVERY test that has ever been done with scientific method debunks this fraud.

  57. Steve says:

    I think Edison must of gotten real tired of all of the degreed nay sayers. Thank Goodness he didn’t give up. Jim, your degree doesn’t always top life experience and a can do attitude. Education comes from past experiences but most all gains in knowledge came from those who dared to look into the future not the past. These people will be much to busy succeeding to have time for you in five years. Pride does come before the fall only the proud can’t see it coming.

    Keep trying guys! I have a ’95 Camry with a hho and map/o2 enhancers. It is quieter, more powerful and at this time about a 15% mpg increase. Oh, it also has 253,000 miles on it.

    I guess I’m just stupid, didn’t know it couldn’t work. THUS—it did.

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      It works? Really? How was it tested? You can’t, and nobody else can, show us even one unbiased, scientific test of this showing that it works. Not a single one.

      It’s a BS scam, and you know it.

  58. Greg says:

    As much as I’d like to believe you guys know what you’re doing.. i saw a compelling line of videos and write ups (when i was looking for just a clip of the show) stating that the experiment wasn’t done correctly.. your metal plates should be within an eighth of an inch .. (most people use more then one set of plates) also people mix baking soda in with the water to make the electricity conduct through it easier, producing more gas. and when setting up your gas hose should go through a bubbler to avoid risk of backfire like you had with the tank of hydrogen (regardless i’m going to try it on my beater truck for myself)

  59. John Crum says:

    I have not tried any of this stuff but it seems possible the problem is that the people who have the plans want to sell the plans and they should be free. If they really work.

    • Rastus says:

      The plans are not free and they never will be because that’s how these scammers make their money.

  60. rarson says:

    Reading these comments, it’s clear that a lot of you know very little about cars.

    Water injection and running on water are two different things. Some of the fuel injected into gasoline engines goes to quenching heat in the combustion chamber; it’s essentially wasted. Injecting water into the engine (by means of a highly atomizing nozzle) not only quenches heat, but facilitates combustion. The idea is to replace the fuel quenching with water quenching, to lessen the amount of fuel being injected.

    The problem is that gas makes the most power at an air/fuel ratio of about 13.7:1, so leaning it out any further will cause the car to lose power. People who don’t know what they’re doing are talking about leaning the car out as far as 17:1, which is absolutely ridiculous, and the engine would experience extreme detonation with a 17:1 AFR at WOT.

    The reason that cars don’t come with water injection is because it’s just another tank to fill, another maintenance item for the average idiot to ignore. You’d need a pretty smart ECU and failsafe system to compensate for a loss of water injection.

    Also, there’s a reason why EFI cars come with oxygen sensors, and removing or disabling them without making any adjustments to the engine management isn’t going to do anything but cause your car to run even worse.

  61. matthew says:

    HHO Does work…

    Good evening everyone,

    I just wanted to say that I built a ‘hydrolyzer’ out of some plexiglass and stainless steel and hooked it up to my Pinto station wagon, and yes, it makes bubbles that are flammable, and I pipe it into my carb and yes, I get some increased mileage. I went from 21 mpg to roughly 28 mpg.

    Not a whole lot I know, but it DID work.

    Just thought I’d throw it out there.

    I bought a copy of the plans for it from a coworker who bought plans off the ‘net, and between the two of us, (we’re both nuclear engineers in the Navy), we were able to make it and install it. He put one on his diesel truck, and I on my Pinto.

    His keeps blowing fuses instantaneously and he doesn’t know why (I think he’s got a positive and negative plate touching) but mine works fine. He’s put his on the back burner because his job is taking priority (Imagine that).

    I WAS using a little bit of salt in it, but that kept creating too much current and it was blowing fuses after about 10 minutes, so now I just use tap water, but I run it all the time. Whenever the key is on, it’s a bubblin’!

    yeah, I’ve had to make a few tweaks to it here and there, and I think it even leakes Hydrogen and Oxygen out of the top, so not all of it goes into the engine, but I’m happy that I’ve proved it works. of course, the Mighty mighty Pinto is a carbureted 4 banger with no O2 sensors, so install was a snap. EFI cars require a more rigorous install, but it’s possible.

    The idea works, just not quite like people claim. I mean, I think I”m seeing a 25% increase, and I have to clean off the plates every now and then, so it’s somewhat labor intensive, but it works.

  62. Jon A says:

    Well i can say from experience that this “Hydrobooster” does work. i made one from plans i got from the internet and well because i didnt want to risk it on my own car i tested it on my brothers 94 corvette. well he saw a significant increase in his mpg. before he was getting around 12-14 mpg and now he gets 20-22 mpg and he has a noticeable increase in power.

    now that i have see what it does for his corvette next im going to install it on my 2005 civic.

    and being an engineering student who is currently taking thermodynamics this in no way breaks any laws of thermodynamics. in fact there is a chapter discussing this very topic and why it works in our text book. that was what convinced me to finally try it out

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      “in fact there is a chapter discussing this very topic and why it works in our text book.”

      No, there is not. At least not with the conclusion you are claiming.

  63. fabrice noel says:

    Adam,Jaimie,first esxcuse me for my bad english,i am from France ,this is explainning
    I am a fan off your show and i have just seen the show about magnets saver
    You have test only FE magnets we have a other product registered who realy works
    If you are interesting about it,can you send me a mail for more explanation we will do some test with a company in USA called atomicspeedware.
    thank’s a lot
    Best regards
    Fabrice

  64. jonathan singer says:

    I watched this episode and was appalled with their testing method. Heck, if they had used the same methods with gasoline, it would have backfired too and they could have said that it was a failure also.
    One thing you have to remember about this world we live in, everything is about greed and money. They were probably compensated well for debunking the use of hydrogen as a fuel. There are trillions of dollars wrapped up in the energy business, with hundreds of thousands of people employed. If you developed a kit that could be retro-fitted onto must vehicles, and could easily be made by the average joe, it would cost them billions of dollars every year in profits. To say nothing of all those employed who would have to go out and find another way of making a living. They would prefer that the transition to hydrogen be a smooth one, so the masses will continue to be dependent on their product, and thus, ensuring the continuation of their exorbitant profits. It is unlikely that they (or our governments)would let it happen any other way. Hydrogen will someday be used as a fuel, but not until big business can figure out a way to milk all they can from us.

  65. Michael says:

    In the beginning I watched youe show every time I could catch it on. It was great seeing myths that worked or didn’t. Then it went another direction and I lost total interest. We need shows that connect with everyday life, The world is in crises and we need a program that xcan spark our interest and imagination to solve todays and future problems. The internet is full of ideas. Please stay with the program like Mother Earth was in the past. Stop the just entertainment shows, they are not interesting anymore. Show us what we want to see and not what you think, get into the real world and eduacte us as you did in the beginning.

  66. HowlingMadDog says:

    I’m not an engineer. Moreinclined towards basic Economics.But I love all this. When the guys that own the oil realise that “Joe -on-thr-street” is debating alternatives to oil, they would be stupid not to realise they could lose their ranch soon?
    I have a gas-guzzling Alfa. But it’s surprisingly light on fuel if I drive carefully. Lately it has become a game to me. I monitor my fuel cosumption on a spreadsheet just to see how lw I can get it. Bearing in mind my friends think I’m a speed freak. The Arabs are going to force people like me to deny them their inheritance.

    Re the water injection – I was lead to believe that it was the cooling effect (entering the chamber) combined with the oxygen content that caused increased efficiency? That was in the 80′s ?

  67. Chris Bird says:

    I am interested in the total energy of the system. That includes:

    The energy required to manufacture all the parts.
    The energy required to move the materials around
    The energy required to power the vehicle
    The energy required to generate the stuff that powers the vehicle, etc.

    Let’s assume that adding hydrogen in some proportion to the fuel mixture increases the efficiency of the engine – so adding some amount of hydrogen + oxygen to gasoline through the carburetor does indeed deliver an increase in power/an increase in fuel economy and other benefits. If you like to think of this on the “value” side of the energy equation.

    We need to think on the cost side – as well. What in terms of energy does it cost us to get that value? Electrolysis causing the water to break into its 2H2 + O2 components takes some amount of energy. The same amount as is released when hydrogen is burned in oxygen. Now if the energy required for electrolysis were to be otherwise wasted, then we would be on to something. So, for example, if the alternator were producing a certain amount of (electrical) energy and only 1/2 were used, then increasing the energy recapture by 50% would mean that we are diverting less energy to waste. That would perhaps be a good thing.

    So maybe the way to think about this is that we are using such devices to capture wasted energy, and this is a good thing.

    If we are simply trading one form of energy for another then that is a bad thing, because such energy trades are generally wasteful.

    So as an energy recovery system perhaps this has promise. As a something for nothing system it doesn’t!

  68. AnnerseJafsal says:

    Our neighbors throing the total into the open of the fridge! They ve bought pork recently and the proprietor said that it was from mexico! Should we not pack away pork now?

  69. Hiestpioppy says:

    Are you kidding me!!??? Swine FLU??? In sommer in heat? Is it undisturbed possible? I am from Cali and I nervous! Freeze flourishing!

    • Mukesh says:

      Yeah, I’m pretty sure you are cocrret here.What you do is you convert from percent to grams and then divide by the molecular weight and this gives you moles.So:Carbon: 40.0 / 12.011 = 3.3302 molesHydrogen: 6.71 / 1.0079 = 6.6574 molesOxygen: 53.29 / 15.999 = 3.3308 molesThen you divide the number of moles by the lowest number of moles and this gives you the EMPIRICAL formula.3.3302 / 3.3302 = 16.6574 / 3.3302 = ~23.3308 / 3.3302 = ~1So the EMPIRICAL formula is C1H2O1But if you add up the weight of these atoms, you only get 12.011+1.0079+15.999 = ~30 but we were told that the molecular weight of the compound is 60amu.So, the MOLECULAR FORMULA is C2H4O2, just like you said above.Note that EMPIRICAL and MOLECULAR formulas are not the same. The empirical formula is really only the ratio of each atom to each other atom. So, like, acetic acid (CH3COOH) and glucose (C6H12O6) have the same empirical formula, but they are completely different molecules. +7Was this answer helpful?

  70. TieltyRixewly says:

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  71. Clifford M Skinner Jr says:

    I am with sure thinking in 1938 their was a John Deere tractor with a tank for kerosene and another tank for water. The tecknology has been around many years. The oil companies buy out right of production of water for fuel.

    It is all making money and controling new ways and ideas.

    Thank you,

    Clifford

  72. Atom says:

    I’m trying the hho generator to run a car with water and i have successes in this experiment my car running with brown gas

    • Arumuga says:

      your motor wont get rusted besauce the engine isnt running off fill up its running off of the hydrogen molecules in the fill up thats why its sign is H20 which means 2 hydrogen molecules for every oxygen molecule

  73. zebraz says:

    You can’t get more out than you put in.
    It is a basic law of the universe.
    It is the same thing as perpetual motion.
    It takes more energy to get hydrogen than you will ever get out of it.
    If a machine could get more out than put in it could power itself simply by feeding its output into its input.Once started it would run forever with no fuel needed.
    Perpetual motion is for fools, crackpots and frauds.

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      And so is water4gas.

  74. KDH says:

    I made one of these out of an empty milk jug and some of the aluminum foil from my hat I wear when I stand in the field by my house waiting for the aliens to arrive. A lot of people say it violates the laws of thermodynamics, but I think we need to keep an open mind and remain positive; laws were made to be broken anyway. Adding the baking soda and a bit of paprika will change the laws of TD, allowing me to get 75mpg in my delorean, it gets up to 88mph even quicker now, but things start getting weird at that point.

    • Rastus says:

      Yes, it’s true, and your example is just more proof! Personally, I think the Brown’s gas generator also concentrates Cosmic Rays, which generate super-energetic Hydrogen from the water. This is why the Flux Capacitor in your DeLorean becomes energized and you are getting 75 MPG! If you optimize the collection of Cosmic Rays wou might be able to increase that to 125 MPG!

  75. Jose says:

    Hola, siempre procuro ver MythBusters en discovery, pero en este aspecto, me parece que el programa se hizo para ridiculizar un hecho que es un avance, parece que el poder economico alcanzo a los que pretenden demostrar que las inovaciones ocurren. Interesados en rodar y explotar todo? incluso la tierra?

  76. Kelsey says:

    It’s not about making a perpetual motion machine or running a car on dirt. It’s about removing inefficiency, and there are agents that can do that whether they are mechanical or chemical. These agents can only be found by experimentation, and when organized science is unwilling to do that, then it’s up to Everyman to do it.
    Don’t call people crackpots because they’re willing to try something that’s not mainstream. Oh, wait…they’re only crackpots when they actually succeed.
    It’s like, “I couldn’t get it to work for me, so I’m going to trash your success.”
    Any improvement is a rung up on the ladder of efficiency whether it can be achieved by one or all. If you get better mileage from pouring the aforementioned dirt into your engine, then more power to you! Just because I can’t prove it works doesn’t mean you didn’t. You might just know something I don’t.

    • Jones says:

      They are not crackpots for trying something different. They are crackpots for spouting all this nonsense and making absurd claims and statements that they can never back up with data.

  77. Duncan says:

    Something that occurred to me is that heavy machinery began to convert over to diesel fuel in the mid 1930′s. So let’s say the farmer is using a diesel powered spreader for his fertilizer, and gets some diesel on his hands, so he wipes it off on his pants. Then after/while loading in the fertilizer he gets some powder on his pants. Depending on the type of fertilizer he is using this could become a very volatile combination and cause the pants to explode. Please revisit, thanks

  78. ONE who knows. says:

    If you pull off the high tension lead from one of the spark plugs on a running car engine,and allow the spark to jump into one of the filler holes on top of the cars battery,the battery will not explode.However,the battery will explode if you use other forms of ignition,such as a flame,or spark from a grinder or unguarded electrical source.Consider the fact that the spark from the high tension lead is supposedly providing the ignition for the combustion process involving petrol,and air.Does not the cars battery produce hydrogen when it is being charged by the alternator,or generator?The more inefficient the battery cells are, the more gas it will produce.The answer to why the battery will not explode,is differences in frequencies. That is why the working Joe cell is a frequency generator, NOT just a gas producer.What part does fuel play in the running of an engine?It simply places a frequency,or charge on the incoming air.If you know how to do this by the unlimited frequencies available to us by the use of structured water, or do it electrically,you do not need to use fuel in the conventional sense.

    • Lala says:

      LOL! I’m far from uneducated, bone idle, or a fool! An know of basic pyhsics would tell you this is a SCAM. It’s not up to ME to prove anything. It’s up to the scammers who reckon this can save gas to prove their gadget works. Millions of dollars are up for grabs if this really did work. Engineers would JUMP at the opportunity to prove this to be right. Go ahead and be gullible.

    • Jones says:

      ONE who knows: What a bunch of utter nonsense! Are you joking? You must be. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

      • Oracle of Truth says:

        He’s outlined the operating theory of his flux capacitor…

    • Oracle of Truth says:

      “That is why the working Joe cell is a frequency generator, NOT just a gas producer.What part does fuel play in the running of an engine?It simply places a frequency,or charge on the incoming air.If you know how to do this by the unlimited frequencies available to us by the use of structured water, or do it electrically,you do not need to use fuel in the conventional sense.”

      Now THERE’S a crackpot…

  79. andreeahealth says:

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    • Oracle of Truth says:

      That’s a GREAT idea! Remove your excess fat and burn it in your car’s engine for extra fuel! Save gas! fat4gas.com is my new website! I’m selling plans now!

  80. andreeahealth says:

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  81. Ben says:

    As a follow up to my previous post

    I have now built two 12v hydrogen generators. The one I tested on a vehicle drew 60 amps (from a separate power source), produced enough gas for a continuous flame and got very hot in the process. It was unable to affect the idle of a carb equipped 2 litre engine.

    The other cell made half the gas but drew a quarter of the current and didn’t get nearly as hot during bench testing. It was never fitted to a vehicle.

    However I have made 20% gains on an older vehicle through internal cleaning and tuning to suit modern fuels.

    The only gains I have got on a modern vehicle were accidental while chasing power. They were from vacuum operated water injection, reduced blow by, and driving according to an oxygen sensor monitor I built. But 15% is still worth chasing…

  82. SurfsWeb says:

    Dana please post an update about your results!

    Dana says:
    I am just starting on the Hydrogen cell, I am a 2003 3/4 ton pickup I get about 14 miles to the gallon. I am just working on my hydrogen cell I DONT KNOW IF IT WILL WORK BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH TRYING, WHAT OTHER OPTIONS DO WE HAVE KEEP PAYING THE HIGH GAS PRICES.

    August 9, 2008 at 11:00 PM #
    Reply

  83. Hannah Drby says:

    your “fuel cells” were not fuel cells.
    You are miseducating people.
    Please don’t do this. I’m sure that the source for that idea said it was to do with fuel cells but by repeating that you are harming your viewers.

    • Open says:

      i think behr paint (behr.com) has something like that, but i beielve there is a $5 fee i’ve not used it, but i have looked at colors on the website before. also you can pick up the paint booklets/chips at home depot (from behr) and the booklets has complimentary colors and shows the paint in different rooms.i personally like the behr paint (semi gloss) because its wonderful for being able to clean it especially with kids and crayons, markers, finger paints, etc. it is a little costlier than most paints, but it covers great and last great also if you use the behr paint and there is something wrong with the paint itself a behr representative will come out and paint your walls for you (there has to be something

  84. Deonet says:

    Norway has been using hydrogen and such for almost a century. HHO has been around forever and works. I ran into an old guy with a fancy new motorhome at a campground. He was making a Brown’s Gas generator and an HHO thingy for the motor home. He says his dad and grandfather made them for the farm vehicles and THEY WORKED. He wanted better mpg from his motorhome, so he was making them to install. Our auto industries, oil industries, and politicians are all in bed with each other – ditto the medical and pharmaceutical industries – thus prices continue to be ridiculously high to keep the masses oppressed while they live like Kings on our blood.

    • Rastus says:

      “I ran into an old guy with a fancy new motorhome at a campground. He was making a Brown’s Gas generator and an HHO thingy for the motor home. He says his dad and grandfather made them for the farm vehicles and THEY WORKED”

      Well than, that proves it! Science, Thermodynamics, Chemistry, they’re all WRONG! It WORKS! WooHoo!

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