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		<title>By: Casper Andersen</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-7355</link>
		<dc:creator>Casper Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the big piece of paper. You took normal-size thikness in paper (A4) and strecthed it! It is not possible to fold a piece of paper more than 7 times if you use the same scale every time you try folding it! It&#039;s what a wise man once said: &quot;for every action, there&#039;s a re-action&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the big piece of paper. You took normal-size thikness in paper (A4) and strecthed it! It is not possible to fold a piece of paper more than 7 times if you use the same scale every time you try folding it! It&#8217;s what a wise man once said: &#8220;for every action, there&#8217;s a re-action&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-6777</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) As water pressure increases and water infilitrates the vehicle, if there isn&#039;t a good escape route, the air will be compressing. So, if you are breathing this air and then exit the vehicle, one would imagine there is a chance of a problem. 

On the other hand, you&#039;ll have no real chance to tell if the air is escaping or compressing. Also, since it takes 33&#039; (10m) to generate 1 ATM of pressure differential (in freshwater), if you&#039;re only down 3-4 m, you&#039;ll probably be okay in any event. And even if you did suffer some damage because you held your breath after breathing some compressed air and came up from a notable depth, you&#039;d still be better off than drowning as long as someone could adminster oxygen and they could get you off to a hyperbaric chamber soonish.

Still, it won&#039;t *hurt* you to slowly exhale a small stream of bubbles as you ascend. Small bubbles, slow stream to give you time to get to the surface. 

2) The lifehammer and other similar things work on the idea of force applied over surface area of application. They apply very large forces/unit area because of the sharp point of their delivery. Keys might work, but try punching a board with your keys point out. It&#039;ll probably do your hand some damage. Better to have a reliable rescue tool. At $15, you can&#039;t really argue against the value if you ever need it. 

3) To be safest, get some training from your local FD or paramedics on vehicle extrication. Hard to practice if the use of the tool cuts belts and smashes windows, but you should practice unbelting, acquiring the tool, and the rough motions with the eyes closed. Extricating yourself through a window could be challenging for some if they are short like me and fit tightly into place - I&#039;d want to tilt the steering away and move the seat back if possible.
Getting out through a shattered window is a bit like a wet exit in a flipped kayak and that&#039;s a bit exciting if you&#039;ve never done it for real before.

4) Seatbelts, if you are hanging upside down or they&#039;ve taken some damage, may jam. You might not be able to unbuckle, thus trapping you and/or preventing you using the seat belt as a hammer. Something like the lifehammer or resQme should be within *arms reach while belted*. Then you can cut away (probably that would be exciting if you&#039;re upside down also... fall on head on car roof in confined space won&#039;t be fun, but it will be necessary). 

5) Pressure outside from water is both good and bad. More of it means likely more water pushing into the vehicle from any point it can intrude (eventually any seals will fail). But it also means that the pressure on a window to fail is greater, so a smaller crack in the glass should yield window disintegration. Of course, the more water pressure, probably the more cold (from depth) and force (in your face) you&#039;ll face when the window goes. Nothing like being kicked in the head by a wall of water... so get out sooner rather than later. But if you have no option and are submerged, probably face away from the window, put your chin on your shoulder to stabilize your head, and shatter the window. That&#039;s the best chance of not getting knocked out or stunned by an inrush of water at significant depth I&#039;d imagine.  

6) If all else fails, try keys, try seat belt edge, if you&#039;ve got a brass-barrel or steel-barrel fountain pen, use that to strike the window - anything that can help generate signifcant force on a small area (hatchet, knife point for hunting or pocket knife, etc). 

Failing having any tools, if you can get a forearm lined up, try to strike hard with the tip of the elbow, moving from the shoulder with your body weight. Or fold your fingers at the second knuckle (tiger&#039;s paw) and drive with that - likely to break some knuckles, but it might crack the glass. These are VERY desperate measures - far better to have the $15 lifehammer. 

No, I don&#039;t work for these guys, I just recognize a key safety tool for a good price.

And remember, the best lifesaver in a crisis is not panicking - immediately focus on the critical next step to saving yourself, don&#039;t think about anything else, and act swiftly but deliberately. Deliberate action, a cool head, and a focus on &#039;what do I do next?&#039; is the best odds of coming out in one piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) As water pressure increases and water infilitrates the vehicle, if there isn&#8217;t a good escape route, the air will be compressing. So, if you are breathing this air and then exit the vehicle, one would imagine there is a chance of a problem. </p>
<p>On the other hand, you&#8217;ll have no real chance to tell if the air is escaping or compressing. Also, since it takes 33&#8242; (10m) to generate 1 ATM of pressure differential (in freshwater), if you&#8217;re only down 3-4 m, you&#8217;ll probably be okay in any event. And even if you did suffer some damage because you held your breath after breathing some compressed air and came up from a notable depth, you&#8217;d still be better off than drowning as long as someone could adminster oxygen and they could get you off to a hyperbaric chamber soonish.</p>
<p>Still, it won&#8217;t *hurt* you to slowly exhale a small stream of bubbles as you ascend. Small bubbles, slow stream to give you time to get to the surface. </p>
<p>2) The lifehammer and other similar things work on the idea of force applied over surface area of application. They apply very large forces/unit area because of the sharp point of their delivery. Keys might work, but try punching a board with your keys point out. It&#8217;ll probably do your hand some damage. Better to have a reliable rescue tool. At $15, you can&#8217;t really argue against the value if you ever need it. </p>
<p>3) To be safest, get some training from your local FD or paramedics on vehicle extrication. Hard to practice if the use of the tool cuts belts and smashes windows, but you should practice unbelting, acquiring the tool, and the rough motions with the eyes closed. Extricating yourself through a window could be challenging for some if they are short like me and fit tightly into place &#8211; I&#8217;d want to tilt the steering away and move the seat back if possible.<br />
Getting out through a shattered window is a bit like a wet exit in a flipped kayak and that&#8217;s a bit exciting if you&#8217;ve never done it for real before.</p>
<p>4) Seatbelts, if you are hanging upside down or they&#8217;ve taken some damage, may jam. You might not be able to unbuckle, thus trapping you and/or preventing you using the seat belt as a hammer. Something like the lifehammer or resQme should be within *arms reach while belted*. Then you can cut away (probably that would be exciting if you&#8217;re upside down also&#8230; fall on head on car roof in confined space won&#8217;t be fun, but it will be necessary). </p>
<p>5) Pressure outside from water is both good and bad. More of it means likely more water pushing into the vehicle from any point it can intrude (eventually any seals will fail). But it also means that the pressure on a window to fail is greater, so a smaller crack in the glass should yield window disintegration. Of course, the more water pressure, probably the more cold (from depth) and force (in your face) you&#8217;ll face when the window goes. Nothing like being kicked in the head by a wall of water&#8230; so get out sooner rather than later. But if you have no option and are submerged, probably face away from the window, put your chin on your shoulder to stabilize your head, and shatter the window. That&#8217;s the best chance of not getting knocked out or stunned by an inrush of water at significant depth I&#8217;d imagine.  </p>
<p>6) If all else fails, try keys, try seat belt edge, if you&#8217;ve got a brass-barrel or steel-barrel fountain pen, use that to strike the window &#8211; anything that can help generate signifcant force on a small area (hatchet, knife point for hunting or pocket knife, etc). </p>
<p>Failing having any tools, if you can get a forearm lined up, try to strike hard with the tip of the elbow, moving from the shoulder with your body weight. Or fold your fingers at the second knuckle (tiger&#8217;s paw) and drive with that &#8211; likely to break some knuckles, but it might crack the glass. These are VERY desperate measures &#8211; far better to have the $15 lifehammer. </p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t work for these guys, I just recognize a key safety tool for a good price.</p>
<p>And remember, the best lifesaver in a crisis is not panicking &#8211; immediately focus on the critical next step to saving yourself, don&#8217;t think about anything else, and act swiftly but deliberately. Deliberate action, a cool head, and a focus on &#8216;what do I do next?&#8217; is the best odds of coming out in one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajn</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-6680</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment on the power windows myth. 

If I remember correctly, they used weights to simulate the pressure of the water pushing down on the power window. The power window was not able to open because it would need a great deal of force to slide the weights sideways due to friction. 

I hope Mythbusters revisits this myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment on the power windows myth. </p>
<p>If I remember correctly, they used weights to simulate the pressure of the water pushing down on the power window. The power window was not able to open because it would need a great deal of force to slide the weights sideways due to friction. </p>
<p>I hope Mythbusters revisits this myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-6189</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, am thinking about getting the children out.  Being a mother with 4 kids I usually have 3 belted in the back and one in the front.  If I got out but couldn&#039;t save my kids I would rather be dead too.  So, how do you get everyone out safe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, am thinking about getting the children out.  Being a mother with 4 kids I usually have 3 belted in the back and one in the front.  If I got out but couldn&#8217;t save my kids I would rather be dead too.  So, how do you get everyone out safe?</p>
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		<title>By: Trent</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-5438</link>
		<dc:creator>Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am with Fred E. It was quite obvious that the weights on the car glass window were hitting on the bottom of the window and the friction was stopping it from moviing. If this were done with water there would be no hitting from this.
Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Fred E. It was quite obvious that the weights on the car glass window were hitting on the bottom of the window and the friction was stopping it from moviing. If this were done with water there would be no hitting from this.<br />
Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeph</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-5150</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go for the side windows, which are tempered glass (shatters into not-very-sharp fragments) - NOT the windshield (which has tough flexible plastic sandwiched between glass).  The windshield deforms but still traps you in the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go for the side windows, which are tempered glass (shatters into not-very-sharp fragments) &#8211; NOT the windshield (which has tough flexible plastic sandwiched between glass).  The windshield deforms but still traps you in the car.</p>
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		<title>By: VIDEO OF WATER POWERD CAR</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-4932</link>
		<dc:creator>VIDEO OF WATER POWERD CAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MythBusters Episode 72: &#8220;Underwater Car&#8221;  &#8230; MythBusters test if myths about escaping a car that has crashed into water and if a piece of paper can be &#8230; see in your video that the weights against &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MythBusters Episode 72: &#8220;Underwater Car&#8221;  &#8230; MythBusters test if myths about escaping a car that has crashed into water and if a piece of paper can be &#8230; see in your video that the weights against &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Madison</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-4431</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for jamoecw, its true about blowing bubbles on the way up, but thats if you are breathing compressed air from a scuba tank. if you take a breath of air at the surface and dive down,  your lungs compress as the pressure increases. since you are holding the same air as on the surface, your lungs expand back to normal size on the way back up. hence freediving. IF you breathe from a scuba tank at depth, your lungs return to the size they would be at surface. this is where it can get dangerous. as you ascend, air expands. after breathing compressed air ,if you ascend and hold your breath your lungs will over expand and potentially pop (bad). also after breathing compressed air and ascending too rapidly, you could cause an air embolism or DCS. 

for lance, pony bottles (the little bottles of back up air) are available to the public, but because of the aforementioned potential dangers, as well as other things to keep in mind, you really should get scuba certified first. scuba diving is a lot of fun, and easy to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for jamoecw, its true about blowing bubbles on the way up, but thats if you are breathing compressed air from a scuba tank. if you take a breath of air at the surface and dive down,  your lungs compress as the pressure increases. since you are holding the same air as on the surface, your lungs expand back to normal size on the way back up. hence freediving. IF you breathe from a scuba tank at depth, your lungs return to the size they would be at surface. this is where it can get dangerous. as you ascend, air expands. after breathing compressed air ,if you ascend and hold your breath your lungs will over expand and potentially pop (bad). also after breathing compressed air and ascending too rapidly, you could cause an air embolism or DCS. </p>
<p>for lance, pony bottles (the little bottles of back up air) are available to the public, but because of the aforementioned potential dangers, as well as other things to keep in mind, you really should get scuba certified first. scuba diving is a lot of fun, and easy to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Brydges</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Brydges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 21:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us who have had someone we know suffer this tragedy it is good that all avenues of this myth be tested and the public informed. An episode like this took place right near our home and on a road that we travel often. We still shudder when we pass the spot. 
I watched an episode on &quot;Daily Planet&quot; where they interviewed a scientist studying this topic and his instructions were to exit the vehicle as soon as possible. He estimated that if it was not done in the first 90 minutes, that the outcome would almost always be tragic.
Car industries should get involved in this as well. Maybe making those little bottles, Adam had as backup air, affordable and accessible to the public would be a good idea.
Keep Busting!
Namarie an si
Lance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who have had someone we know suffer this tragedy it is good that all avenues of this myth be tested and the public informed. An episode like this took place right near our home and on a road that we travel often. We still shudder when we pass the spot.<br />
I watched an episode on &#8220;Daily Planet&#8221; where they interviewed a scientist studying this topic and his instructions were to exit the vehicle as soon as possible. He estimated that if it was not done in the first 90 minutes, that the outcome would almost always be tragic.<br />
Car industries should get involved in this as well. Maybe making those little bottles, Adam had as backup air, affordable and accessible to the public would be a good idea.<br />
Keep Busting!<br />
Namarie an si<br />
Lance</p>
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		<title>By: mATT</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode72/comment-page-1#comment-2509</link>
		<dc:creator>mATT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accidentally discharged one of those pointed window punches while holding the thing in my hand, with my thumb over the pointed end. It didnt hurt. I doubt its ability to break glass if it couldnt even puncture the soft skin on my thumb! I&#039;d just get the metal seatbelt buckle (since its always readily available) and punch the window with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accidentally discharged one of those pointed window punches while holding the thing in my hand, with my thumb over the pointed end. It didnt hurt. I doubt its ability to break glass if it couldnt even puncture the soft skin on my thumb! I&#8217;d just get the metal seatbelt buckle (since its always readily available) and punch the window with it.</p>
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