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	<title>Comments on: Episode 70: Hindenburg Mystery</title>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-13705</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 03:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read through all these comments. There is some very well defined situations within these comments that I think the Mythbusters should read. My stomach did not sit right when I watched this so I looked to see if there were any thoughts on it. I agree with redoing this test. I also think it will take a lot more planning, mechanical work, and more actual Hindenburg calculations than just a smaller sized rig.

Secondly, let’s restate the question:
&quot;The Hindenburg was destroyed by the flammable compound used to paint the bladder, not by the hydrogen gas within.&quot;

We know that when hydrogen is exposed to flame and oxygen, it will ignite. Same goes for the skin and paint compounds. The key question is not how it was destroyed, but how it started. If it was by hypothesis purposeful, than that is not a science test, it is a police report. If it was by hypothesis static... for example lightning that was not witnessed by anyone, than the amount of heat produced from lightning would not for a fact but likely catch it on fire. I think I&#039;ve seen something that is made that maybe have been used on Mythbusters that uses a contraption that can build up enough energy to get close to a lightning bolt. This might be a reasonable place to visit again, but cannot be for sure because of too many factors. Few being air pressure and air flow in an open sky.

This is a very serious gesture to try to close off something as controversial and historically serious with so little historical calculations put into the testing. To be more clear, I really don’t think this would ever be solved unless we came up with some real evidence, like someone testifying. Which anyone would probably have passed away by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read through all these comments. There is some very well defined situations within these comments that I think the Mythbusters should read. My stomach did not sit right when I watched this so I looked to see if there were any thoughts on it. I agree with redoing this test. I also think it will take a lot more planning, mechanical work, and more actual Hindenburg calculations than just a smaller sized rig.</p>
<p>Secondly, let’s restate the question:<br />
&#8220;The Hindenburg was destroyed by the flammable compound used to paint the bladder, not by the hydrogen gas within.&#8221;</p>
<p>We know that when hydrogen is exposed to flame and oxygen, it will ignite. Same goes for the skin and paint compounds. The key question is not how it was destroyed, but how it started. If it was by hypothesis purposeful, than that is not a science test, it is a police report. If it was by hypothesis static&#8230; for example lightning that was not witnessed by anyone, than the amount of heat produced from lightning would not for a fact but likely catch it on fire. I think I&#8217;ve seen something that is made that maybe have been used on Mythbusters that uses a contraption that can build up enough energy to get close to a lightning bolt. This might be a reasonable place to visit again, but cannot be for sure because of too many factors. Few being air pressure and air flow in an open sky.</p>
<p>This is a very serious gesture to try to close off something as controversial and historically serious with so little historical calculations put into the testing. To be more clear, I really don’t think this would ever be solved unless we came up with some real evidence, like someone testifying. Which anyone would probably have passed away by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Paola</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-13628</link>
		<dc:creator>Paola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>H2O is a polar molecule. The ogxeyn carries a partially negative charge because it is more electronegative (attracts electrons more strongly) than hydrogen. The two hydrogen atoms then consequently get a partial positive charge. When water solidifies (becomes ice), the molecules have to get arranged so that the same charge interactions are at a minimum. This means that the molecules have to stop moving and they end up expanding. While water is still liquid molecules can move freely and once they repel each other they just move away. If they are about to solidify, they can&#039;t move freely anymore which is why you end up with a greater volume.If water didn&#039;t have this property, there would be no life on earth. Ice forms on top of lakes/seas/rivers and insulates the lower parts so thus it maintains the life underneath.References :</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H2O is a polar molecule. The ogxeyn carries a partially negative charge because it is more electronegative (attracts electrons more strongly) than hydrogen. The two hydrogen atoms then consequently get a partial positive charge. When water solidifies (becomes ice), the molecules have to get arranged so that the same charge interactions are at a minimum. This means that the molecules have to stop moving and they end up expanding. While water is still liquid molecules can move freely and once they repel each other they just move away. If they are about to solidify, they can&#8217;t move freely anymore which is why you end up with a greater volume.If water didn&#8217;t have this property, there would be no life on earth. Ice forms on top of lakes/seas/rivers and insulates the lower parts so thus it maintains the life underneath.References :</p>
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		<title>By: Olleng</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-13525</link>
		<dc:creator>Olleng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I understand that Jim Miekka the decsoverir of the Hindenburg Omen has totally pulled out of the stock market. No offense to Mr. Miekka but for a man without a financial degree or hasn&#039;t worked on Wall Street he sure has developed quite a lot of influence. If he turns out to be right he is going to be in even more demand and probably quite wealthy as well.VA:F [1.9.10_1130]please wait...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I understand that Jim Miekka the decsoverir of the Hindenburg Omen has totally pulled out of the stock market. No offense to Mr. Miekka but for a man without a financial degree or hasn&#8217;t worked on Wall Street he sure has developed quite a lot of influence. If he turns out to be right he is going to be in even more demand and probably quite wealthy as well.VA:F [1.9.10_1130]please wait&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Romeo</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-13348</link>
		<dc:creator>Romeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an Obamanation.  Taxpayers should go on srktie.  We are all suckers.  These bandits throw huge amounts of cash all around and we tighten our belts so that it can continue.  You got me a little nervous with the water melon thing.  I am glad you explained it immediately.Will Eric Holder be having an investigation or are those reserved for conservatives only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an Obamanation.  Taxpayers should go on srktie.  We are all suckers.  These bandits throw huge amounts of cash all around and we tighten our belts so that it can continue.  You got me a little nervous with the water melon thing.  I am glad you explained it immediately.Will Eric Holder be having an investigation or are those reserved for conservatives only?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Persson</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-12812</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikael Persson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When u tested the myth with the Hindenberg disaster . U did forgot 1 thing. U don´t use any air . U missed the passing air flow . Hindenberg was in the air when it all happend . And the air flow must have been helping to fuel the fire. u got 0,59 min on the fastest test. Try that again with the passing air . And I thing u must land on 0,20-0,40 min instead. So I hope to se a enew test on this myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When u tested the myth with the Hindenberg disaster . U did forgot 1 thing. U don´t use any air . U missed the passing air flow . Hindenberg was in the air when it all happend . And the air flow must have been helping to fuel the fire. u got 0,59 min on the fastest test. Try that again with the passing air . And I thing u must land on 0,20-0,40 min instead. So I hope to se a enew test on this myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-9680</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what if u got a girl to run the rig and not a guy 
thenn what would happen?
- B k G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if u got a girl to run the rig and not a guy<br />
thenn what would happen?<br />
- B k G</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-8487</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also wanted to mention about OTHER airship disasters.

Other airships such as the R-101, the Roma, or the World War I Bomber Zeppelins, burned similarly to the Hindenburg. They definitely weren&#039;t painted with this sort of doping compound but burned because of hydrogen.

Yes the Hindenburg&#039;s back broke, but that was because the gas in the rear had ignited but the bow still had lift. The fire did not spread cell-by-cell though. In fact, one gas cell only burned when the Hindenburg hit the ground. The fire spread by the axial catwalk, which was like a chimney. It channeled towards the front of the airship where the fire burst out of the hose. The Mythbusters experiment shows fire exiting out of the nose only with a hydrogen explosion. Had it just been paint, the fire would not have spread towards the nose because it would not be able to channel through the axial catwalk.

So even with reconsidering the experiment, I&#039;d say the myth is still busted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also wanted to mention about OTHER airship disasters.</p>
<p>Other airships such as the R-101, the Roma, or the World War I Bomber Zeppelins, burned similarly to the Hindenburg. They definitely weren&#8217;t painted with this sort of doping compound but burned because of hydrogen.</p>
<p>Yes the Hindenburg&#8217;s back broke, but that was because the gas in the rear had ignited but the bow still had lift. The fire did not spread cell-by-cell though. In fact, one gas cell only burned when the Hindenburg hit the ground. The fire spread by the axial catwalk, which was like a chimney. It channeled towards the front of the airship where the fire burst out of the hose. The Mythbusters experiment shows fire exiting out of the nose only with a hydrogen explosion. Had it just been paint, the fire would not have spread towards the nose because it would not be able to channel through the axial catwalk.</p>
<p>So even with reconsidering the experiment, I&#8217;d say the myth is still busted.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-7723</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hindenburg:

this myth is definitely not busted in my opinion. 

The way the actual Hindenburg collapses from the rear - following initial flash - and angles backward at nearly 90 degrees allowing the flame propagation to climb upwards, laterally through the axis of the airship, naturally accelerates the flames.

Mythbusters should have executed the experiment emulating conditions more accurately, namely;
1. the nature of the initial flash, 
2. pressurized gases in the airship - equivalent to that required to provide lift, 
3. the rear collapse and change in angle of the ship as it burned and 
4. several other factors which should probably be considered. 

Unfortunately, the oxygen-filled example will never be a feasible comparison because no amount of air pressure will create lift.

An additional test case really should have been an air-ship using helium, just to see what the result would have been with a know &#039;less flammable&#039; gas medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hindenburg:</p>
<p>this myth is definitely not busted in my opinion. </p>
<p>The way the actual Hindenburg collapses from the rear &#8211; following initial flash &#8211; and angles backward at nearly 90 degrees allowing the flame propagation to climb upwards, laterally through the axis of the airship, naturally accelerates the flames.</p>
<p>Mythbusters should have executed the experiment emulating conditions more accurately, namely;<br />
1. the nature of the initial flash,<br />
2. pressurized gases in the airship &#8211; equivalent to that required to provide lift,<br />
3. the rear collapse and change in angle of the ship as it burned and<br />
4. several other factors which should probably be considered. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the oxygen-filled example will never be a feasible comparison because no amount of air pressure will create lift.</p>
<p>An additional test case really should have been an air-ship using helium, just to see what the result would have been with a know &#8216;less flammable&#8217; gas medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty Leach</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-7722</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotty Leach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Crocodile segment.
Myth should not be considered &quot;Busted&quot;. The Johnsons Creek crocodile that they used is non agressive and not known to attack humans. Now if they had used the much nastier and bigger salt water croc, we could have had a much different result.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Crocodile segment.<br />
Myth should not be considered &#8220;Busted&#8221;. The Johnsons Creek crocodile that they used is non agressive and not known to attack humans. Now if they had used the much nastier and bigger salt water croc, we could have had a much different result.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode70/comment-page-1#comment-7430</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see, the problem is that the skin couldn&#039;t have been ignited by a static spark. Addison Bain cheated by igniting the skin with a continuous spark; in other documentaries he used an open flame.

It would be better if Mythbusters used an electrical machine (such as a Tesla coil) and gave a brief zap and see if the skin ignites (hydrogen would ignite with such conditions).

The skin was however, a very poor electrical conductor and German scientists found out that the spark could jump right through it and ignite leaking hydrogen. (Bain claims that they found out the fabric itself was flammable). Thus the fabric was still to blame for the disaster as it caused the spark to ignite the hydrogen, but had it not been hydrogen, there would have been no ignition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see, the problem is that the skin couldn&#8217;t have been ignited by a static spark. Addison Bain cheated by igniting the skin with a continuous spark; in other documentaries he used an open flame.</p>
<p>It would be better if Mythbusters used an electrical machine (such as a Tesla coil) and gave a brief zap and see if the skin ignites (hydrogen would ignite with such conditions).</p>
<p>The skin was however, a very poor electrical conductor and German scientists found out that the spark could jump right through it and ignite leaking hydrogen. (Bain claims that they found out the fabric itself was flammable). Thus the fabric was still to blame for the disaster as it caused the spark to ignite the hydrogen, but had it not been hydrogen, there would have been no ignition.</p>
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