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	<title>Comments on: Episode 38: MythBusters Revisited</title>
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		<title>By: Steve M</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13159</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were several problems with the Mythbuster&#039;s bullet test.

1. The pig carcass was hung, it was not standing. As a Hunter, I can tell you that shooting a deer at 300 yards with a spine hit will not drop the deer straight to the ground. Instead in my experience it not only knocks them back and over but will spin them sometimes as much as 180 degrees from their original position. These shots made with a 200 grain .30 caliber bullet, so we aren&#039;t talking massive projectiles. Now the point is that these are spine shots so we are talking about instant severing of the spine so there is no muscle reaction to speak of.

2. Distance should also be a factor in this test. At close range velocity of the round over comes the energy transfer of the projectile, the further away from the muzzle the lower the velocity (also energy as well but to a much lesser degree).

Now with these two things covered consider that a standard 308 using a 168 grain BTH projectile will knock over a 20 pound steel bull at 500 yards if hit anywhere above the lower 1/4 section of that bull. How is this possible? This round will leave the barrel at about 2700 FPS with an energy level just under that 2680 ft-lbs. At 500 yards the velocity has dropped to around 1800 FPS and energy to around 1250 ft-lbs.

As for actual recoil of this particular round in an 8 pound gun recoil is 18 ft-lbs and recoil velocity is 12 FPS. What many here do not seem to understand is that the projectile does not go instantly to 2700 FPS   , it starts out slowly and builds its speed as the gas expands in the barrel. Using a barrel longer than 24&quot; will achieve higher velocities, roughly 50 FPS per inch, although there is a point of diminishing returns up until you reach negative returns. 

The point of this being that yes if the transfer was instant to velocity then there would be a tremendous level of recoil from any round fire from any conventional rifle.

When you get into the difference between let&#039;s say a 12 gauge shotgun slug and the 308 you also have to figure in the sectional density of the projectile the SD of the 308 round is around .270 while the SD of a 12 gauge slug is only .117 buck shot you divide  
both impact energy and SD of the slug by 9 and what you come up with at the muzzle is 2361 ft-lbs of energy for the slug and 262 ft-lbs for the 00 buck and the SD for the 00 buck is .009 not much in the way of impact results except at the muzzle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were several problems with the Mythbuster&#8217;s bullet test.</p>
<p>1. The pig carcass was hung, it was not standing. As a Hunter, I can tell you that shooting a deer at 300 yards with a spine hit will not drop the deer straight to the ground. Instead in my experience it not only knocks them back and over but will spin them sometimes as much as 180 degrees from their original position. These shots made with a 200 grain .30 caliber bullet, so we aren&#8217;t talking massive projectiles. Now the point is that these are spine shots so we are talking about instant severing of the spine so there is no muscle reaction to speak of.</p>
<p>2. Distance should also be a factor in this test. At close range velocity of the round over comes the energy transfer of the projectile, the further away from the muzzle the lower the velocity (also energy as well but to a much lesser degree).</p>
<p>Now with these two things covered consider that a standard 308 using a 168 grain BTH projectile will knock over a 20 pound steel bull at 500 yards if hit anywhere above the lower 1/4 section of that bull. How is this possible? This round will leave the barrel at about 2700 FPS with an energy level just under that 2680 ft-lbs. At 500 yards the velocity has dropped to around 1800 FPS and energy to around 1250 ft-lbs.</p>
<p>As for actual recoil of this particular round in an 8 pound gun recoil is 18 ft-lbs and recoil velocity is 12 FPS. What many here do not seem to understand is that the projectile does not go instantly to 2700 FPS   , it starts out slowly and builds its speed as the gas expands in the barrel. Using a barrel longer than 24&#8243; will achieve higher velocities, roughly 50 FPS per inch, although there is a point of diminishing returns up until you reach negative returns. </p>
<p>The point of this being that yes if the transfer was instant to velocity then there would be a tremendous level of recoil from any round fire from any conventional rifle.</p>
<p>When you get into the difference between let&#8217;s say a 12 gauge shotgun slug and the 308 you also have to figure in the sectional density of the projectile the SD of the 308 round is around .270 while the SD of a 12 gauge slug is only .117 buck shot you divide<br />
both impact energy and SD of the slug by 9 and what you come up with at the muzzle is 2361 ft-lbs of energy for the slug and 262 ft-lbs for the 00 buck and the SD for the 00 buck is .009 not much in the way of impact results except at the muzzle.</p>
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		<title>By: derpleherp</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13152</link>
		<dc:creator>derpleherp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should revisit the knocking back myth with a .950 JDJ rifle. That thing can be 120 pounds, and still have amazing kick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should revisit the knocking back myth with a .950 JDJ rifle. That thing can be 120 pounds, and still have amazing kick.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubble Shooter</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13145</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubble Shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This webpage was put into my bookmarks. I can not wait to learn more about this topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This webpage was put into my bookmarks. I can not wait to learn more about this topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13110</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as this bullet knocking a person back what about you wear a suit of armour and get hit by a wrecking ball...think that might do it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as this bullet knocking a person back what about you wear a suit of armour and get hit by a wrecking ball&#8230;think that might do it</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Humphries</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13075</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Humphries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a retired machinist that enjoys my small collection of armory I can confirm what StarKing states; a .380 Caliber is 380 thousandths of an inch. 3/8 inches is converted to .375 or 375 thousandths of an inch, just 5 thousandths shy of the .380 caliber. This explanation provides a type number that most can relate to.   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a retired machinist that enjoys my small collection of armory I can confirm what StarKing states; a .380 Caliber is 380 thousandths of an inch. 3/8 inches is converted to .375 or 375 thousandths of an inch, just 5 thousandths shy of the .380 caliber. This explanation provides a type number that most can relate to.   :)</p>
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		<title>By: randell</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13074</link>
		<dc:creator>randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have seen people jump over a 15 foot wall before but of course they ran up to it and basically combined jumping with crawling but hey they still got over the wall there are also free runners who will jump from one building to another or jump off 4 story buildings and land on there feet with out any injury</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have seen people jump over a 15 foot wall before but of course they ran up to it and basically combined jumping with crawling but hey they still got over the wall there are also free runners who will jump from one building to another or jump off 4 story buildings and land on there feet with out any injury</p>
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		<title>By: randell</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13073</link>
		<dc:creator>randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on myth busters they proved nothing less then insindiary rounds would be able to cause a gas tank to explode</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on myth busters they proved nothing less then insindiary rounds would be able to cause a gas tank to explode</p>
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		<title>By: randell</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13072</link>
		<dc:creator>randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your full of your self a fully loaded kick from a donkey doesnt even cause a person to fly back. p.s fight science has shown that a human strike can generate more force then a shot gun and you dont see boxers flying across the ring. you dont see mma fighters flying across the octogon from a kick the most you see is them stumble and go unconsious if anything the force would be focused to a very small point over a large area since a shot gun has hundreds of peices of shot. 
each pellet has a smaller penetrationa area and therfore the rounds have more penetrating power yet the most it would do is knock a person back a couple of feet and then they would fall down</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your full of your self a fully loaded kick from a donkey doesnt even cause a person to fly back. p.s fight science has shown that a human strike can generate more force then a shot gun and you dont see boxers flying across the ring. you dont see mma fighters flying across the octogon from a kick the most you see is them stumble and go unconsious if anything the force would be focused to a very small point over a large area since a shot gun has hundreds of peices of shot.<br />
each pellet has a smaller penetrationa area and therfore the rounds have more penetrating power yet the most it would do is knock a person back a couple of feet and then they would fall down</p>
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		<title>By: randell</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13071</link>
		<dc:creator>randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nope infact a human punch can generate more force then a shot gun and a human punch doesnt cause someone to fly away even a really powerful kick only knocks a person out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nope infact a human punch can generate more force then a shot gun and a human punch doesnt cause someone to fly away even a really powerful kick only knocks a person out</p>
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		<title>By: randell</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode38/comment-page-1#comment-13070</link>
		<dc:creator>randell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no matter how powerful the gun is and even if she only weigh 110lbs im calling bullship i have a cousin who is around 10 and weighs 80 or so lbs and she fired of a 357 magnum and she didnt even fly back even an inch. the most it would do is knock you off ballence and cause you to fall over but not fly back let alone 3 feet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no matter how powerful the gun is and even if she only weigh 110lbs im calling bullship i have a cousin who is around 10 and weighs 80 or so lbs and she fired of a 357 magnum and she didnt even fly back even an inch. the most it would do is knock you off ballence and cause you to fall over but not fly back let alone 3 feet</p>
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