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	<title>Comments on: Episode 122: Thermite vs. Ice</title>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-7256</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments about the SKS firing pin channel being gummed up are on-track and nearly correct.

The single most-common reason for an SKS to have a non-intentional discharge is that the firing pin channel is gummed up with cosmoline (a greasy/waxy military-grade preservative.  So many of these rifles were made, then stored in military armories, that the majority of the rifles that come into private possession arrive coated inside and out with cosmoline.  The new owners typically clean the rifles fairly thoroughly, but frequently neglect to strip the bolt and remove the cosmoline from the firing pin channel.  Subsequent incomplete cleanings leave dried-up chunks of cosmoline that can break loose and jam the firing pin in the forward position.  Thus, either slamming the bolt home with the firing pin frozen in the forward position, or simply vibrating the spring-loaded bolt (with the firing pin frozen forward) against the primer can cause the cartridge to be ignited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments about the SKS firing pin channel being gummed up are on-track and nearly correct.</p>
<p>The single most-common reason for an SKS to have a non-intentional discharge is that the firing pin channel is gummed up with cosmoline (a greasy/waxy military-grade preservative.  So many of these rifles were made, then stored in military armories, that the majority of the rifles that come into private possession arrive coated inside and out with cosmoline.  The new owners typically clean the rifles fairly thoroughly, but frequently neglect to strip the bolt and remove the cosmoline from the firing pin channel.  Subsequent incomplete cleanings leave dried-up chunks of cosmoline that can break loose and jam the firing pin in the forward position.  Thus, either slamming the bolt home with the firing pin frozen in the forward position, or simply vibrating the spring-loaded bolt (with the firing pin frozen forward) against the primer can cause the cartridge to be ignited.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-7125</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thermite/ Was at me similar without ice and water. Has lighted a magnesian shaving - at burning the firm cover was around formed and inside burnt. Explosion was less. If to add ice begins also as at you. There is a grenade instead of steams and gases as you consider.

SKS - sniper gangster Simonov (СКС - снайперный карабин Симонова).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermite/ Was at me similar without ice and water. Has lighted a magnesian shaving &#8211; at burning the firm cover was around formed and inside burnt. Explosion was less. If to add ice begins also as at you. There is a grenade instead of steams and gases as you consider.</p>
<p>SKS &#8211; sniper gangster Simonov (СКС &#8211; снайперный карабин Симонова).</p>
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		<title>By: Ffynn Bowen</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-7046</link>
		<dc:creator>Ffynn Bowen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am certain that the SKS myth tested was not what happened in the case of the Russian gangsters. I think the Mythbusters went in the ENTIRELY wrong direction with this one.

Think about this one...

The dirty Russian gangsters and their(THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!) *DIRTY* rifle, are cruising around with the rifle&#039;s bolt &#039;locked&#039; into the *REARWARD POSITION* and with several cartridges in the magazine. The rifle is sitting with the butt on the floor with the barrel pointed upwards. The pumping soundsystem knocks the bolt out of the rearward position and into battery. BUT WAIT! Because the dirty Russians never cleaned their dirty rifle the floating pin of the SKS is all gummed up with residue, and is stuck in the forward position. When the bolt comes forward... SLAM FIRE!

This is something that is VERY common in SKS rifles that have not been cleaned in a long time. It is well known in the firearms community that when you release the bolt to chamber a cartridge and a round ignites (slam fire) you need to clean your SKS because the pin is getting stuck in the forward position. This happens because there is no spring to pull the pin back into the housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am certain that the SKS myth tested was not what happened in the case of the Russian gangsters. I think the Mythbusters went in the ENTIRELY wrong direction with this one.</p>
<p>Think about this one&#8230;</p>
<p>The dirty Russian gangsters and their(THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!) *DIRTY* rifle, are cruising around with the rifle&#8217;s bolt &#8216;locked&#8217; into the *REARWARD POSITION* and with several cartridges in the magazine. The rifle is sitting with the butt on the floor with the barrel pointed upwards. The pumping soundsystem knocks the bolt out of the rearward position and into battery. BUT WAIT! Because the dirty Russians never cleaned their dirty rifle the floating pin of the SKS is all gummed up with residue, and is stuck in the forward position. When the bolt comes forward&#8230; SLAM FIRE!</p>
<p>This is something that is VERY common in SKS rifles that have not been cleaned in a long time. It is well known in the firearms community that when you release the bolt to chamber a cartridge and a round ignites (slam fire) you need to clean your SKS because the pin is getting stuck in the forward position. This happens because there is no spring to pull the pin back into the housing.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Hinckley</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6922</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Hinckley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 10:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The gun is the S&amp;W X Frame in .500

It is a dangerous weapon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The gun is the S&amp;W X Frame in .500</p>
<p>It is a dangerous weapon.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Malley</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6679</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of further points.

Run the feeder at the same frequency as the rifles
fire rate.Obvious?

How far would you have to drop the rifle onto a hard surface for it to self fire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of further points.</p>
<p>Run the feeder at the same frequency as the rifles<br />
fire rate.Obvious?</p>
<p>How far would you have to drop the rifle onto a hard surface for it to self fire?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Malley</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6674</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Malley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SKS Rifle

The firing rate ( frequency) of the rifle would
be well within the range of Audio frequencies.

This would mean that the firing pin is oscillating
in its housing at that frequency.

Try attaching the rifle to a parts/materials feeder, these things can shift several hundred
tons per hour rock if you want a big one, and
try again!

Your problem was that you were expecting the air
to transmit the force.
The rifle was probably sitting on the car chassis
effectively hard coupled to the speaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SKS Rifle</p>
<p>The firing rate ( frequency) of the rifle would<br />
be well within the range of Audio frequencies.</p>
<p>This would mean that the firing pin is oscillating<br />
in its housing at that frequency.</p>
<p>Try attaching the rifle to a parts/materials feeder, these things can shift several hundred<br />
tons per hour rock if you want a big one, and<br />
try again!</p>
<p>Your problem was that you were expecting the air<br />
to transmit the force.<br />
The rifle was probably sitting on the car chassis<br />
effectively hard coupled to the speaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As caleb critcher said, putting an ice from the freezer in water can cause it to crack, sometimes violently.

What happened to me:  I had a hot bowl of soup, to hot to eat.  So I dropped an Ice cube into it.  The ice cube &quot;exploded&quot;, into about 5 peices, and I had soup spread about 3 meters away from the bowl!

So I think it&#039;s about causing stress fractures in the ice to explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As caleb critcher said, putting an ice from the freezer in water can cause it to crack, sometimes violently.</p>
<p>What happened to me:  I had a hot bowl of soup, to hot to eat.  So I dropped an Ice cube into it.  The ice cube &#8220;exploded&#8221;, into about 5 peices, and I had soup spread about 3 meters away from the bowl!</p>
<p>So I think it&#8217;s about causing stress fractures in the ice to explode.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6538</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t consider the SKS &quot;myth&quot; busted just because it didn&#039;t happen to those particular rifles.  Some SKS&#039;s have bad sears as a result of poor manufacturing or modification by someone who didn&#039;t know what they were doing.  If your SKS has negative hammer-sear engagement, every time the rifle gets bumped, the hammer slides a little along the sear, getting closer to the &quot;breaking&quot; point.  Eventually, a bump or vibration will overcome the last bit of friction and the hammer will fall.

This doesn&#039;t have anything to do with the spring on the firing pin (or lack thereof.)  The spring is there to help retract the firing pin after a shot is fired.  If the firing pin channel gets gummed up, the firing pin can get stuck in the forward position.  When the bolt closes on a new round, the protruding firing pin hits the primer and the gun immediately fires.  This is usually the cause of &quot;full-auto&quot; malfunctions and slam-fires, but it won&#039;t cause the hammer to inadvertently fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t consider the SKS &#8220;myth&#8221; busted just because it didn&#8217;t happen to those particular rifles.  Some SKS&#8217;s have bad sears as a result of poor manufacturing or modification by someone who didn&#8217;t know what they were doing.  If your SKS has negative hammer-sear engagement, every time the rifle gets bumped, the hammer slides a little along the sear, getting closer to the &#8220;breaking&#8221; point.  Eventually, a bump or vibration will overcome the last bit of friction and the hammer will fall.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with the spring on the firing pin (or lack thereof.)  The spring is there to help retract the firing pin after a shot is fired.  If the firing pin channel gets gummed up, the firing pin can get stuck in the forward position.  When the bolt closes on a new round, the protruding firing pin hits the primer and the gun immediately fires.  This is usually the cause of &#8220;full-auto&#8221; malfunctions and slam-fires, but it won&#8217;t cause the hammer to inadvertently fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6347</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thermite/ ice: Not sure I buy the hydrogen/oxygen combustion or pressure related ideas, but I do remember that aluminium will burn in water. So it goes like this: the thermite ignites, vaporising the ice and creating a cloud of hot aluminium powder in steam (which then burns fast enough to create the explosion).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thermite/ ice: Not sure I buy the hydrogen/oxygen combustion or pressure related ideas, but I do remember that aluminium will burn in water. So it goes like this: the thermite ignites, vaporising the ice and creating a cloud of hot aluminium powder in steam (which then burns fast enough to create the explosion).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://mythbustersresults.com/episode-122-thermite-vs-ice/comment-page-1#comment-6252</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum, could it be possible the thermite flash heats the tiny air bubbles and that is what causes the explosion?

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum, could it be possible the thermite flash heats the tiny air bubbles and that is what causes the explosion?</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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